Celebrate-Gate: When a Team Fails to Read the Room

12-14-2022 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

Win the first ever MLB draft lottery? Put up a celebration video, and a garbled exasperation tweet on top.

Sign a borderline 5th starter (even on this team), put together a produced hype video!

The Pirates just can’t help themselves can they?

Here’s the draft lottery celly.

Look, I get it. As I said at the time, this is the outcome you want to see but I’d argue you probably don’t need to see any reaction.

Fans aren’t in a place where they want to see “profit” from what they’ve been watching.

Let’s blow through more of this before I get back to overall writing about the team and their continued lack of self awareness.

Here’s one that shouldn’t bother anyone, and yet…

Hell yeah Right? How could this one make anyone upset you ask? The revelation about Reynolds wanting a trade came out just a few days before and seeing Cruz in Dodger Blue swatting another easy bomb just reminds fans they’ll likely be saying goodbye to him as well come 2028.

Kinda starting to see how they can’t win here?

You sign a guy to a one year deal. He’s a guy who hasn’t really had a lot of MLB success, at least not as a starter. You’re watching guys sign 13 year deals worth 350 million and then you see the Pirates do this….

Our guy? I mean we all know you’ll move him at the deadline. Don’t get me wrong, that’s fine, but a hype video?

OK, let’s talk about a top prospect. How could that possibly be a bad thing right?

Quinn Priester sure looks like he’s going to be a good one, thanks for the fuel for why it’s so ridiculous he isn’t here before July.

Folks, this team has no good way to go with this stuff at this point. They also have nobody to blame but themselves.

The natives are angry, and rightfully so. I may spend every day writing and talking about the process at play and the execution of a plan, but I’ve never expected everyone to enjoy it. Certainly not like I do, as I’ve told you all several times, I’m weird. I actually enjoy watching kids develop and the team building process, but even I think they were far worse than they needed to be and for too long.

I spent that top portion doing my best to sound like an angry fan in response to each of those posts, some of it I agree with and completely understand. Some of it I feel is just looking for reasons to be mad. That said, all of those sentiments and more were all over these posts from the team.

Problem is, it creates a situation where the message hardly matters. Everything will be viewed through the prism of what this organization does wrong.

I didn’t include them because I find it really distasteful but they got hate for having David Bednar and Jack Suwinski do some charity work. I mean it’s that caustic now.

Think about it.

If they extend Oneil Cruz, say they get him to accept 10 years, he’d be 34 so that wouldn’t be the smartest thing for him to accept but let’s just pretend. Pirates fans would be excited, a hype video would be accepted and shared all over, and then, after a couple days the dust would settle and they’d go right back to realizing they still aren’t spending enough, they still aren’t locking up all the guys you want, Mitch Keller is up after 2025!

I’d love to tell you an ownership change would change this, but it won’t happen, and it wouldn’t change things enough. NOBODY is coming in here and pretending they have the ability to play in the top of the market.

The only thing that’s truly going to fix this, short of MLB changing it’s entire system, is winning.

Ben Cherington and his staff seem to believe their best path to that is to build it internally, regardless of how long it takes. They also seem to believe doing it this way will make it sustainable. Meaning no more wide open window, instead looking for a continuously cracked window that on occasion lets in enough air.

I think there should be a balance in there to hold onto players, at least a bit more, and bring in a meaningful free agent when you can feasibly take bad to acceptable. But it ain’t my team.

If he’s right, they’ll be seen as a smart team that found a way to succeed in the system they operate within. If he’s wrong, they’ll yet again change GMs and we’ll be at the mercy of whatever their method for beating the system is.

In the meantime, they should really accept that nobody is going to celebrate with them. Perhaps they already have and simply don’t care about the negative comments that come with it.

I can say, the things I’ve seen posted about Vince Velasquez this week after the hype video, well, I’m not sure I’d want to print up a brochure about how great it is to play here right now. And I don’t mean posting his awful barrel rate, I just mean calling him a piece of s*** or lying about respecting Roberto Clemente.

Again, this isn’t a criticism of fans or how they react to things. The Pirates haven’t cared about that for years now. It’s more of an observation that this team isn’t “tone deaf” as much as they simply aren’t going to let the negative takes change how they go about business or the promotion of things that happen.

You wonder how a team can hear a trade request leak out and just shrug and say tough, well, there you go. They know, and he knows he has to play, and play well, or he’s the idiot, not them. Regardless of who yells at them. That said, let that play out while not trying to fix it, and welcome your new pitcher you signed being treated like Josh VanMeter before he’s even toed the rubber.

You can’t act like signing a player like Velasquez is a big, hype worthy deal, and at the same time shrug about your best player wanting out. Fans, even dumb ones, are gonna call you on that type of thing, EVERY time.

In other words, they don’t have the same gut as Cam Heyward when he gets a sack down 31-3. He knows a fist pump is about all he’s gonna get without looking stupid. The Pirates are posing for a picture and screaming at the away crowd when they get to the QB, hell they celebrate a QB pressure.

Look, a guy like Vince Velasquez should get to sign and at least do something on the field before joining the ranks of pariahs. In fact the team has done quite well with reclamation projects or unearthing gems from plain looking rocks recently, but fans simply aren’t going to start dancing in the streets for one season deals.

Win, and things get less gross.

Don’t, and it’ll only get worse.

This isn’t PR as much as it’s about a team that simply doesn’t see how interconnected every single thing they do really is.

A typical fan that gets the majority of their Pirates news from watching Bob Pompeani at 6 has heard very little news. They’ve heard Bryan Reynolds wants a trade along with the assumption the Pirates will do so, meager signings and moves for first basemen and a couple pitchers. That’s it.

You know, until they see the hype videos.

Know what, anger kinda makes sense when you realize how this stuff is ingested by most fans.

Pirates Winter Meetings Recap

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In order to appropriately recap the Winter Meetings, Craig welcomes Alex Stumpf-Pirates Beat Writer for DK Pittsburgh Sports-down to the basement to discuss the acquisition of Vince Velasquez, the Rule 5 Draft, A Clear Position of Need that Remains and Of Course, the Bryan Reynolds Situation. 

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Five Pirates Thoughts at Five

12-12-22 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

Prediction becomes religion if you aren’t careful.

You lay something out there and then sometimes you feel compelled to find ways to make every nugget of news fit your initial shot at it. This happens for just about every story that we follow year after year.

So and so is not good enough! Now the job is clear, prove yourself right. The dude hits a homerun, you talk about how many ballparks it wouldn’t be out. Guy makes a good play, make sure nobody forgets the bad one.

Build in plenty of escape hatches for yourself. Make sure you leave ways to worm your way around being wrong, instead, make the narrative that something completely unexpected happened and you are “thrilled” about it, but also, “everyone” missed it.

Rarely do you see anyone admit they were wrong.

Prediction is a big part of the fun when it comes to sports, but it shouldn’t become everything you are. In fact, instead of admitting you’re wrong eventually, perhaps it would be wise to simply admit up front there are multiple ways a thing could develop.

I’m not just talking about journalists here or bloggers, I’m talking normal everyday fans. When you marry a concept and can’t let it go, all it does is cloud your judgement on everything else. When you’re marrying something like how a 19 year old is going to evolve, when he’s going to get here, where he’s going to play and who he’s better than, inevitably you’re going to get forced into creating reasons you were wrong, and most of the time, it’ll be by blaming others.

Baseball is too hard for absolutes. Soften your stance and be open to dialog and freedom of thought.

Let’s do this.

1. Painted Into a Corner

When you have a very specific need as a baseball GM, you know you’re in dangerous territory. Teams aren’t stupid, they know what you need before you even sit down to talk, and vice versa. Teams typically know who is and isn’t on the table before sitting down too. At least who’s realistic.

That’s for trades, but agents also aren’t dumb, they know the Pirates for instance don’t have any left handed starting pitching, and when you take a specific need like that and amplify it by having it be a thin position on the market, you aren’t going to find it cheap.

Take a guy like Sean Manaea, who just signed with the Giants for 2 years and 25 million.

He’s a lefty starter who struggled last year but has a decent track record. Honestly a perfect target for the Pirates, and even for them should have been in the target spending zone too.

Every guy like this who comes off the board makes this job even harder.

When the Pirates jumped all over first base and made several moves and signings to address it for 2023, I understood many being underwhelmed with the names, but I was encouraged that they didn’t wait for the market to pin them into choices they didn’t want to make.

I hoped that would lead to doing much the same at catcher and starting pitcher. The free agent board is rarely going to be a place the Pirates thrive, so when you have little choice but to play in it, jump in early, overpay someone before the market starts to set itself and get out before most of the big dominoes have started to fall.

Once guys like Manaea are the “big fish” the Pirates are all but doomed. Had they jumped on this when there were still 5 or 6 comparable options, chances are they could snag one.

Now you have to wonder if they’ll manage to grab one at all, and if they do, their sights likely need to be on a Ryan Yarbrough type, who most in the league see as an iffy starter if not fully bullpen option at this point.

This team has many issues of course, but one they could control is to stop having a crisis of conviction every time they have to spend a dollar. It’s like I tell my wife sometimes, if ten dollars is an amount of money you even bother thinking about, COSTCO isn’t for you. Well, if a million here or there, an extra year once in a while, is something you consider consequential, good luck on the free agent market.

2. Pitch and Evolve

Despite my belief that this team would be doing less than they should if they happen to not snag a lefty starter, I really do like where they are with the overall staff.

First, the team won’t be quite as hamstrung by the innings restrictions that were a constant theme in 2022. I’d say every team will be free of that, but the Pirates made it even more restrictive last season than their competitors by in large.

I complained quite a bit about this last year, but as I discussed in the open, we must be free to continue taking a fresh look and while I still feel they should and could have used their starters better I can’t deny they were by far one of the healthiest starting groups in the league. Now you could argue that’s like buying a bottle of STP for your 1987 Datsun hoping the black smoke clears enough to pass inspection, but regardless they kept them on the road.

That’s not a small thing. Toward the end of the season you saw JT Brubaker start to break down and being one of the very few who wasn’t severely limited on innings, that makes sense. Zach Thompson got nicked up in the middle of the season and finished the season a bit less than the best version of himself, but aside from that, they stayed out of the training room.

Next season the Pirates plan to open up the availability more, and here’s the thing, that’s going to lead to needing depth. Finally they have some ready options.

As we sit here Mitch Keller, Roansy Contreras, JT Brubaker, Zach Thompson, Bryse Wilson, Vince Velasquez, Johan Oviedo, and Luis Ortiz are all already there with MLB starting experience. I may not like all those names, but knowing they have 8 guys to fill what amounts to 4 spots at the beginning of the season is comforting. I still hope they sign another as I mentioned, but I digress. The club hasn’t stated their intentions with Velasquez yet, but based on what they paid him vs what they paid Quintana and Anderson, the writing is in my opinion sadly on the wall.

Behind them they have Mike Burrows, Quinn Priester, Cody Bolton and those are just the ones I really believe could contribute here in December.

They’ve finally gotten to the point where they have some depth, and I think that will pair nicely with them loosening the restraints a bit.

The bullpen had it’s own issues last year, but killing them in April, May and June made for a desperate July, August and September. Depth again will play a role.

Don’t get me wrong, there are guys that simply aren’t going to be easily replaced. If Bednar can’t stay healthy in 2023, well, that’s not great. Mitch Keller or Roansy, yeah, not going to recover easily there. Every team can say things like that. But when you have legitimate options for your 3-5 starters, and legitimate fill ins for your 1-6 bullpen options, you are bound to be better off than fishing on the waiver wire for someone who can give you innings down the stretch.

It’s a better situation, even if the results are still to be seen.

3. Things the Pirates Simply MUST See in 2023

The Bucs accomplished more than just stinking enough to get into the top of the draft lottery last season. They also managed to debut and give opportunity to a host of young players setting up 2023 for most of them to feel they have a really good chance to make the club and entrench themselves as MLB players.

Guys like Jack Suwinski, Roansy Contreras, Oneil Cruz, Cal Mitchell, Rodolfo Castro, Diego Castillo, Tucupita Marcano and more will all draw on that experience.

This year, the Pirates have to get this done for even more. Players like Mike Burrows, Quinn Priester, Cody Bolton, Blake Cederlind, Nick Gonzales, Liover Peguero, Endy Rodriguez, Henry Davis, Travis Swaggerty, Canaan Smith-Njigba, and again, more, should all get time to step in and step up.

This is healthy, and this group is much more high profile than the last, save Contreras and Cruz.

This is how these things happen. Take all the jaded looks at manipulating players out of the equation for a moment. Not because it doesn’t matter, instead because it’s unimportant to all but maybe one or two on that list. Rookies should be sprinkled in, not penciled in and counted on when at all possible.

I can tell you right this second, I truly believe Mike Burrows to have a better shot at being a good starter in MLB this year than I do Vince Velasquez. But there is nothing wrong with making both prove that out. For one thing, Vince could just keep the seat warm and transition to the pen, and for another, Burrows didn’t face much AAA competition yet and he didn’t exactly light up the stat sheet when he did. There is a difference between believing in a kid and counting on a kid.

That said, if we get to say August and Burrows hasn’t debuted yet, the Pirates are wasting an opportunity to get his feet wet.

One thing that nobody has truly found a way around in MLB, at some point, you’re going to have to let a rookie be a rookie. You have to accept the flaws and absorb the mistakes. Building out healthy safety nets for that process is important and something the Pirates haven’t done well recently.

Safety nets like Josh VanMeter aren’t going to provide the resistance needed to truly make a kid or team feel safe. Safety nets like Velasquez, well, maybe both entities feel a little less pressure. A real MLB pitcher is there and even if his ceiling is clearly defined and it’s far lower than Burrows, this gives you room to maneuver just in case the floor shows up instead.

Most of this list will find a way onto the roster this year in some form or fashion, and that’s going to open the door for moving on from even more guys that open the season with the big club.

Maybe Castro doesn’t take a step toward consistency. That could open a door for Gonzales and push Castro to the bench. Perhaps Castro kills it and that makes the Pirates consider moving Gonzales to the outfield.

Cruz could show SS simply can’t be his spot. That could open a door for Peguero. Maybe he shows he’s learned to control his fastball over to first and the Pirates consider alternate places to use Peggy.

This stuff is much more fun when we’re talking about prospects coming up because they’re ready instead of coming up because the team is desperate for proof the system is working.

As prospects do make their way to the club, some of these first rounders and highly touted guys rightly should wrestle jobs away from some of these players like Castillo and Mitchell if they don’t step up themselves. Throughout this process, I’m not saying you should stay reserved and not fall for a rookie, but when the system is where it is currently, realize that there simply isn’t room for all of them.

Some guys will get held back, others will seemingly jump over their teammates. This isn’t something we’ve seen around here often, not even when the team was good in the mid 2010’s. Prospects came up and worked out to be sure, but they didn’t have a glut of others pushing beyond that.

Jordy Mercer for instance was a fine player, good shortstop, decent all around. A for sure MLB player, and the Pirates did well to develop him into what he was.

Today’s team isn’t set up to allow that to happen. If Jordy Mercer is in the 2022 wave, he’s instantly pushed for playing time by the 2023 wave.

Josh Harrison probably has 4 or 5 fighting for super utility if he were transported to today’s roster.

That’s how you wind up with a better roster, and how you develop it internally.

You might lose a guy who legitimately has more upside yet, but it’s hard to argue if he’s replaced by someone with a higher ceiling.

Manage it poorly and you become the 2022 White Sox. Manage it well and you might just be the 2015 Royals dream.

Bottom line, the shuffling and trading isn’t over, nor should it be. Walking the balance beam of diagnosing what you have versus seeing the alternatives is a really hard thing to do. Most teams don’t debut 8-10 rookies in one campaign, this will be the last year the Pirates do in this cycle. After this it becomes a bit tighter, and the prospects have to show a bit more to get a crack.

4. About Some of Those 2022 Rookies

Some of the most interesting things to watch will be the evolution of those 2022 rookies. I wrote about Jack Suwinski on Sunday and as we build toward Spring Training this year I’ll be hitting all of them. Oneil Cruz, Roansy, Castro, Castillo, the list goes on and on. I think it’s important to remind ourselves of what they’ve already accomplished, things they overcame and what they still have to face.

Sometimes this stuff gets boiled down to “sophomore slump” type stuff, but if you really strive to understand what you’ve already seen, you find the sophomore slump is almost always a lot more about the league now knowing who the hell you are, and what you do and don’t do well.

I’m not going to try to write one here, I’m looking deeper than that, but suffice to say, almost everyone has warts. Those can be dealt with, but they can also be exposed.

This fact is extra important based on where the Bucs are. Like I discussed in point number 3 today, the Pirates have a glut of young talent poised to make their way to MLB during 2023 and they must be careful to understand and recognize that second year syndrome is ongoing even while others are coming up looking like they’re simply superior.

That might wind up being true, but those same players will be experiencing that very same phenomena next year, so it sure would be nice if you haven’t tossed aside maturing talent for fools gold when they do.

Man this building stuff is hard huh? It takes legitimately brilliant people and makes them look like drooling mouth breathers every single year.

Add in extra difficulty by openly remaking your entire system from a coaching, scouting and analytics point of view and you lose the perspective and trust that ordinarily would help guide you toward making informed decisions and you have a very blurry view of the everyday difficulties of building a team in the way the Pirates have chosen to pursue.

Now be afraid to spend on veterans when the need arises and you can just about forget success.

Here’s hoping they figure out that last part and pretty damn quick.

5. Payroll is Going Up?

I was a bit surprised to see Ben Cherington offer this up at the Winter Meetings.

First of all, it’s not typical for him to address payroll in even that straight a manner. Second, I’m not sure I see it unless they do something really out of character and soon.

We all know they have to get a catcher but if that’s over 5 million I’d be shocked, and I’ll go so far as to say even if they get two I’d be taken aback if the total spend was more than that.

If they get a starting pitcher, which I’ll openly say they should, again, I’d be shocked if they spent even 10 million there.

This made me feel they must be working on or at least considering locking up someone.

Take off your Reynolds hat for a moment. I say that because even if the Pirates want to do that, we simply can’t assume Cherington is so sure he’ll get it done that he’d factor it into a statement.

The opening day roster last year was reportedly around 60 million according to Pirates Prospects, and Spotrac has them around 61 million. Trust me, Ethan at PP has this closer I’d wager.

Right now Spotrac has their estimated payroll at close to 53 million so there is work to do.

Add in all the benefits and odds and ends and last year it was somewhere around 73 million. This year is projected to be just around the same.

Point is, if they really want to make the payroll grow they’re going to have to pay someone who wasn’t scheduled to get paid, or bring in someone from the outside and pay them.

Again, when a GM says something and disproving it is as black and white as you said this and then instead this is what happened, well, trust me, they don’t say it. Expect payroll to go up.

Thing is, if I’m the Pirates I have a couple things I’m prioritizing here. Reynolds, sure, I’d love that, but again I’m taking off the Reynolds hat for this talk.

Let’s get Cruz extended, if he’s open to it, it’ll be right now. He’s got a family, and waiting 2 more years before really making bank isn’t fun when trying to feed your kids. I’d approach him now and offer him something even if just to get the dialog going. Next, I’d hit up Mitch Keller, you worked hard to help him overcome his struggles, and to nobody’s benefit it took until he reached arbitration. Don’t let someone else benefit from what you’ve developed, lock him up for a little while, if he one day is your number 3 or 4, great, you’ll need that too and look at the market, do you ever see yourselves playing there?

I’d also see if I could get JT Brubaker to take a modest deal. Something in the 4-5 million per range. Something that allows him to be a starter if he blossoms or move to the pen if he doesn’t. Either way, I want a guy who cared so much in a 100 loss season as to work his ass off to return from the IL just to make one more start down the stretch. That’s a ball player, and an arm I want around no matter what capacity he fills best in the future.

I think you could get all of this done and still not crack 100 million this year. If I’m the Pirates, I structure these deals to cost more up front than I need them to, if only to make them more affordable and provide, gulp, flexibility later.

This is a team that could easily start to change public perception, if only they’d open their eyes and minds to how very little it would take to do so.

And before you attack me for why no Roansy, well, I want to see a little more. That might be foolish, but I saw some things toward the end of the year, and I need to see why they happened. Tired or scouted? Let me see in 2023.

What is Jack Suwinski? We’re about to Find Out

12-11-22 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

If I told you the Pirates would call up a rookie this year directly from AA Altoona, he’d play excellent defense in all three outfield positions, and he’d hit 19 homeruns in 336 at bats you’d probably think you have a potential all star on your hands right?

For Jack Suwinski, that’s not the case.

He may wind up being an all star of course, but if you watched his season unfold here in Pittsburgh you know that even while Jack was putting up some big numbers, he was also putting up some of the most stark split stats we’ve ever seen.

His home and away splits are simply unreal.

Home: 201 PA, 16 HR, .282 AVG, .982 OPS
Away: 171 PA, 3 HR, .112 AVG, .395 OPS

Crazy right?

How about just good old fashioned Left vs Right pitching?

Left: 111 PA, 5 HR, .122 AVG, .511 OPS
Right: 261 PA, 14 HR, .237 AVG, .795 OPS

I mean…

So think of what these stats combined say. This dude was RAKING at home vs righties to a Ruthian level. Everything else was a real struggle.

Let’s make it even more messed up. Oh yes, it’s possible.

This dude struck out 114 times. So looking at those stats, he clearly just can’t see lefties and struck out a ton against that pitching right? Not so much. 78 Ks against righties, 36 against lefties.

Now, that’s less at bats facing lefties of course but still that’s not the numbers I would expect to see.

Here’s the bottom line with Jack, he’s a 24 year old who really didn’t start finding himself until his 2021 season in AA with San Diego. He found power there, finally started getting some OPS results and was included in a trade to Pittsburgh, largely seen as a long shot or late bloomer.

In fact last season when he was called up by the Pirates, most people including Jack assumed he was only going to be there for a weekend. Maybe a little longer if he got a chance at all.

Through struggles, and stretches of ice cold plate appearances, the Pirates stuck with him.

They had a former number one pick outfielder sitting in AAA. They had another AA player hitting homeruns seemingly every other at bat from the right side of the dish which they sorely needed in the lineup. Longtime prospects like Cal Mitchell ready to get their shot, and still they stuck with Jack.

Until they didn’t.

On July 14th the Pirates sent Jack Suwinski to AAA Indianapolis after another particularly cold spell.

He didn’t perform especially well in Indy. Yet earned a recall on August 29th after working on timing.

Entering 2023 Jack Suwinski is one of the biggest question marks on the club. At 24 he’s not a guy you’re going to immediately plan to platoon but you’d have to imagine if the numbers stay that stark you have to consider it. The power is very real, but he’s got to solve the home and road splits.

As promising as those 19 homeruns are, this could still go either way for this young man.

This is one of those spots that most fans tend to consider filled. He’s a kid, he’ll get better for sure right? All those homeruns at home, man that’s just an anomaly right? That stuff will average out, it has to.

Think about him this way. If this team was ready to compete, or even get to .500, could you pencil in his numbers next year? Can you assume you don’t need someone to help him lift the weight of his position? If you were to want to trade him, do you think other teams would look at those splits and ignore them as a statistical anomaly?

Good teams keep the door open for kids like this, but they rarely anoint them.

As it stands right now, the Pirates have very few platoon options for Jack should he struggle or his trends stay the same. Miguel Andujar should he make the team (and no that isn’t a guarantee) could certainly handle the job against lefties. He’s a funny case too. His left vs right splits with the Yankees were actually inverted slightly, then with the Pirates violantly swung traditional. So there’s that.

After him, the Pirates have newly acquired Ryan Vilade, Matt Gorski and Matt Fraizer. Everyone else is a lefty.

Jack is the one guy who has to get a shot to be an everyday player because of those power numbers, but he’s also not someone I think they can just believe WILL be an everyday player.

The argument here is really in my mind should the Pirates make bringing in a quality right handed bat for the bench as a direct answer to having this situation with Jack? I believe they really should.

This doesn’t have to be a star, but it really should be someone a bit more accomplished than Andujar. This could even be someone you’d want for a couple years as nobody from the right side is a guarantee to be here beyond 2023.

I’ve looked at the overall depth in the outfield and generally I like where it’s headed, but as Bryan Reynolds situation has shaken the only constant out there, and even feeling strongly he won’t be moved before Spring Training, The Pirates need to support the youngsters as best they can everywhere they identify a hole.

Jack Suwinski’s 19 homeruns can be blinding to that effort if you aren’t careful. I’d like to see the Pirates add here but remain willing to let Jack prove to them they didn’t need to. That’s sometimes a tall ask for a team that is loathed to spend.

So lets decide if we’re serious about truly showing improvement this year or not. To me, if you’re serious, you don’t go into 2023 hoping, you go in feeling at least OK that you have it covered even if guys like Jack don’t evolve.

Why Bother? And Other Typical Pirates Narratives

12-8-22 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

The Pirates have hurt this fanbase. Even if you don’t feel that way, read the comments under this story from people who obviously only read the headline.

Over the years and administrations they’ve fractured the trust between their intentions and the expectations of fans.

They’ve done this all on their own. It’s not the media’s fault, it’s not the players, it’s the franchise and the global MLB system they play in.

I say all that because while I’m going to touch on the overtly negative takes media has been going with this off season, the first reaction is going to be that I’m trying to chastise them for “telling the truth” or “pressuring Bob to sell”, but in reality, I’m not a gatekeeper for opinions on the Pirates, I’m just a guy who has wanted the whole story to be told.

For example, Bob is cheap and under his stewardship he’s not provided enough to allow the Pirates to avoid becoming the utter laughingstock the franchise has become, AND the league has proven over time his max effort would probably not have them avoid that fate at least half the time.

Both things can be and are true. Believe it or not, that’s fair.

People often point to the Brewers as an example of doing everything your market allows. I do too. The difference is, I saw and talked about the eventuality of where they are right now. A maxed out payroll, lacking the offensive talent to truly swim in the pool they want to be in. Completely in the throws of arbitration hell, and lacking the ability to extend many of the star pitchers who have fueled much of their success.

Now, I don’t say that to crap on Milwaukee, far from it. They took an admirable, and far more entertaining for the fans path to get here. They developed the hell out of their pitching staff. They traded for star power and extended those they could.

I’m simply saying I’m sympathetic to them. Because if we’re honest, they’re everything we supposedly want Bob Nutting to be. They spend as much as possible, they develop incredibly well, and they put an entertaining product on the field.

Sadly, in this league, that nets you in this case one legitimate crack at a World Series. One year where they were truly in it.

I feel awful for the Brewers, and their fans.

Look, the offseason isn’t over, they could stretch themselves even further, but looking at their offensive roster, seeing them forced to move Kolten Wong and let Hunter Renfroe go just to try their damnedest to keep most of their arbitration guys, I simply think they have to far to go and not enough resources to do it.

Is all that more attractive than watching your team lose 100 games in what amounts to 3 consecutive years? Absolutely.

When success is purely defined as World Series Championships, all the teams they’ve outspent and outplayed probably feel like they’re in the same boat. You know, except richer.

This is MLBs system.

That’s what it creates.

It also creates stories like the Cleveland Guardians. They sold off many of their star players for prospects surrounded by their always stocked pitching staff they develop at an elite level.

Still, during last year’s off season calling for the Dolan’s to sell the team were deafening. They were castigated for callously selling off stars, not trying to win, pocketing money, Boycott the team! Profiting off the loyalty if their fans, you name it they heard it.

And then they won their division and made the ALDS and almost took down the mighty Yankees.

Now this year, they’re the ideal small market organization. Oh why can’t the Pirates be like the Guardians!?

Indeed, why can’t they? Development? Drafting? Poor Trades? ALL of that?

More importantly, can they do it again? Maybe. If they do though, despite the addition of Josh Bell it won’t be because they bought it, it’ll be because of doing well at all the things small market clubs have to simply ace the exam on.

Major League Baseball loves this. It proves their system is fair right? Easy to point to the Guardians payroll last year and say, “see, it can be done, money isn’t everything!”, and they’re right. Until they aren’t.

If Shane Bieber had required TJ last year, nobody ever stops saying all the things they said in the off season. The roster wasn’t as clearly good as what you’d need as an executive to go out and replace him as best you could. Dolan would still be a demon, the Guardians a team in disarray.

Hell if the White Sox had half a brain amongst their management team and performed close to what their roster said they should Dolan would still be the great Satan.

That’s the razor’s edge that small market teams have to play in and with hanging over their necks like the executioner’s blade.

So when journalists here in Pittsburgh pen an opinion piece about Bob Nutting sucking, or needing to sell the team, I get it entirely. What I don’t get is why they so often stop at that.

Get a really great owner, and Pittsburgh is in reality a bit better than the Brewers. The market is slightly bigger here, and therefore their investment should be capable of getting slightly bigger.

Is that enough?

I mean is that really what we want? I’d be absolutely fine with, screw that, I’d be ecstatic if Bob Nutting would sell the team to a good owner who legitimately wanted to do as much as he or she could every season. But it wouldn’t fix the biggest problem in this league.

It just might make you feel like it a bit more. You still wouldn’t be in on Judge. Verlander still isn’t coming here. You can carry a few 140 million dollar deals but you can’t carry 2 or 3 300 million dollar deals like the top tier.

Again, that’s baseball’s system.

That’s the reality here friends.

Imagine if NASCAR had 30 racing teams. Every team has the same races on their schedule, and you can have whatever tires, motor, you want. There are about 10 teams that have sold the most lucrative sponsorship deals there are and routinely make 300 million more than the other 20 racing teams. They make cash win or lose.

Those 10 “super teams” if you will, they have V8 supercharged engines, the very best in tires, fully spare body replacements lying around. The best mechanics, the top pit team in the sport, and top engineers constantly innovating new ways to gain half a mile per hour.

The 20 non super teams run every race, some of them have V6 engines, it’s all they can afford. Nice tires, but if they wear them faster than they hoped they might have to finish with a bald set.

Some of them run a bunch of those races not even trying to win, they know they can’t with their motor, but NASCAR will give a free motor upgrade to whomever finishes the league calendar in last place. New Tires for the worst 5.

Stupid sounding right?

Is it possible this eventually leads to one of those 20 winning? Sure, if you’ve ever watched NASCAR, even the best teams have accidents (See White Sox) and leave room for one of them to finish in the top ten, get some of that badly needed prize money to put back into their team and that’s if they’re a good owner, many will just happily take a bigger than normal profit.

Instead, NASCAR and every other major sports league move heaven and earth to ensure every entrant has a legitimate chance to win, every year, not if and when the culmination of a decade of perfect moves and excellent development provides it.

Other leagues, the best management wins. The best athlete can legitimately be in Pittsburgh, or Edmonton, or Green Bay.

Cheap isn’t a thing, ineptitude is. Daniel Snyder isn’t a bad owner because he won’t spend, he’s a bad owner because he does horrible things, AND he hires people who have no idea how to improve systematically an NFL team.

You can still stretch things. The LA Rams traded off almost all their draft picks seemingly, in an effort to win the Super Bowl, and they did. Now they’ll pay the price. In a cap league that’s part of nature.

In a cap league, you have to allow stars to leave sometimes. You simply can’t fit everyone under the cap. It doesn’t prevent NFL players from setting new records every year for highest paid whatever position, it just prevents teams from having a disproportional amount of veteran talent. It spreads the wealth. It means your Jacksonville team should be able to beat the big bad Dallas Cowboys on any given Sunday.

It gives Green Bay, a relative village, the same chance to win as a team from LA, or NY.

That’s not MLB.

So, I can hate Nutting, and genuinely want him to sell his baseball team, but I’m sorry, I won’t do it without also acknowledging all it does is make it better, IF he sells it to a good person.

Fans are mad, and rightfully so. Nobody should like losing, nobody should excuse it, nobody should have to accept it as part of the process. The fact that it simply is part of the process isn’t entirely on the Pirates.

People who do this stuff, you know, writing or talking about the Pirates thrive on the connection with you the readers or listeners. The interaction drives us forward, gives us ideas of what you like to hear about and read about.

When fans are angry, it feeds the beast. Angry writing get’s angry fans piped up. Calling for things you know the team won’t do as evidence they “care” serves to only make you look prescient and give angry fans more to chew on.

The Pirates should sign “star player X” for X amount of years and they have the money and they can do it and if they don’t they don’t care!!!!! Angry face emojis!!!

You know what I’m talking about and you know it isn’t happening. You might even kinda know why even if they had the money they probably shouldn’t do it because they have 3 guys in their top 10 due to be here next year, but you quietly nod and agree because F Bob right?

So back to the original question, why bother?

Well, I can’t tell you that. That’s your business honestly. In fact, I’ve been doing this for 4 years now and not once have I uttered or written the words, “This Will Work”.

I can’t write that honestly. I can tell you they will improve next year. I can tell you I like a lot of what I see. But make no mistake, they need to get lucky, they need Cruz to be a bonafide super star. They need everyone else to play to their potential and they need a pitcher to become a top of the rotation stud.

I bother personally for a few reasons. One, my dad always told me you have to F with the D you brung. I grew up here, I love Pitt athletics and they haven’t really won in a longer period of time than the Pirates. I love the Pirates because they’re my team. I love the city, the colors, the players and everything else about them.

So I deal. I allow myself to enjoy watching players grow, and I prepare myself for knowing the next star player I see play their entire career as a Pirate will be my first. History is on my side folks, I’m 45, and I can’t think of a single notable player who hasn’t eventually been moved.

I do this writing, because I think you all deserve hearing the whole story. All the warts, bruises and cuts included. I do this because while the audience that wants to think about the process instead of feeding their anger is smaller, it still needs an outlet. Someone who gets their anger, probably feels it himself, but still can take a clear eyed look at what is and help make sense of it.

Lastly, I write things like this because of how often I get asked to comment on what readers have seen elsewhere. I do owe you all that on occasion, because silence about people pitching for campaigns to oust the owner tends to create the belief I’d prefer it not happen.

In reality, it’s no different than explaining why I don’t often say things like the Pirates should go sign Aaron Judge.

It’s not gonna happen, and now I’ve told you more reasons than just who has a nameplate at 115 Federal Street.

The Pirates may never change, the league might not either, good or bad neither will I.

Bottom line, they can win, any team can, the Pirates path is simply covered in land mines and their bomb sniffing dog has to be incredible.

Mid Week – 5 Pirates Thoughts

12-7-22 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

Ya know, I sat down to try to figure how I was going to cover all the news and notes from the Winter Meetings, and it just made a whole bunch of sense to build it into this format. I’ve easily got 5 thoughts, and none of the 5 are worth a full blown piece on their own.

So, lets go shall we?

1. Pirates Sign Two Arms

We knew the Pirates weren’t done signing free agents, and they continued yesterday. Inking two veteran pitchers is a good thing, one is a sneaky good signing, the other is going to catch me off guard if it goes well.

Let’s start with the one I’m more iffy about.

Vince Velasquez

Here’s the thing, if the Pirates see this as an option for the rotation, I’m not very happy. If they see him as a signing for the bullpen, even if it’s a long man/swing man/spot starter type thing, I’m still not excited, but I at least can get behind it.

Vince will make 3.15 million, which for the Pirates especially compared to what they spent on Quintana (2M), or Anderson (2.5M) makes you think they see him as a 5th starter option. Again, I think he’s better in the pen, and if this is THE starting pitcher they sign, I’m not going to pretend they did something I believe in here.

This is a guy who’s never finished a season with an ERA under 4, and had a few that finished above 5 or 6.

If there’s reason to be open to it, he’s a guy who throws a sinker, although he’s had very little success with it, and the Pirates have done well helping guys discover that pitch and use it to strengthen their overall offering.

Consistency is the name of the game, and it’s also Vince’s biggest issue. He’ll impress you with swing and miss stuff at times, then it’ll just disappear for stretches. He’ll go through periods where he has his control under, well, control and then suddenly walk a ton in a couple outings. Big guy, decent stuff, again, consistency is the issue and at 30 years old, you’d rather identify something mechanical than have to deal with repeatability.

This may be as simple as is he better than Bryse Wilson or Zach Thompson, and the jury will be out on that until we see it.

That’s my opinion at the moment. Keep in mind I was livid Quintana was their starting free agent last year. I’m not always right, just reading the tea leaves as I see them today. Hey, they signed a Boras guy! So there’s that.

Now, they also signed another pitcher and this one, I’m really happy with.

Jarlin Garcia, and the deal is for $2.5 million in 2023, with a $3.25 million club option for 2024.

Jarlin uses a fastball, changeup and slider and he’s a classic one inning lefty with a career WHIP of 1.15. I’ve simply got no complaints here, for any team I’d say this is a nice pickup but for a starved for left handed pitching team like Pittsburgh, he’s important.

Arguably too important. His consistency has been phenomenal, but 55-60 appearances eating 55-60 innings isn’t all this club will likely need from that side of the mound.

His K to BB percentage is fine, he won’t strikeout a ton of guys but he gets the job done, and he’s got a bit of an edge to him too.

Really, and you all know I try, nothing to hate here.

2. Pirates Win MLB’s Inaugural Draft Lottery

The Pirates had a 16.5% chance of winning the number one overall pick, as did the Washington Nationals and Oakland A’s. The Reds who finished with the exact same record as the Pirates but due to tie breakers wound up in 4th place with a 13.5% chance were knocked by the lottery all the way down the board to 7th. The A’s fell all the way to 6th.

Now, if your team gets a really high draft pick, you should be happy.

Dancing in the streets is a bit much, but the alternative is you stunk last year and wound up like the Reds or A’s tumbling down the board and not being rewarded with the supposed “help” that picking high should provide.

When the story of Ben Cherington is written, this stretch of history will probably highlight his story.

He’s now had picks of 7th, 1st, 4th and now 1st again. No matter how you shake this thing up, that stretch should matter, and if it doesn’t, there’ll be nobody else to point your finger at.

Immediately the natural question is going to be so who do they get? Dylan Crews is the consensus number one right now, but folks, you know me, it’s too early to guess. this time a couple years ago it was Kumar Rocker, last year it was Elijah Greene, you know, until it wasn’t. Point is in an era stretching back to 2010 in which the top 6 picks are making MLB at a 90% clip, you can’t afford to miss.

Every one of those 4 picks by Cherington should minimally get here, and with two 1.1 selections, there really should be a star or two.

If not, he’s failed.

We can get into all the after they arrive problems the Pirates contend with like keeping players and whatnot, but before we get there, we first have to see them become players you’d want them to keep.

Happy in the moment, check. But it doesn’t matter if the picks were wrong or the development system fails them. Here’s hoping.

As most of you know, I don’t think this team had to stink this bad in the process of remaking the system, the counter argument to that is you have to have high end talent in order for this to actually work. Well, now they’ve done exactly that, they stunk out loud for 3 years under Cherington and managed to “earn” themselves a stretch of 1-4-1 in the draft.

Nick Gonzales and Henry Davis have a chance to debut this year. Termarr Johnson has a while to go yet. All told, they’ll likely add another guy with pedigree who should absolutely be expected to be a star. That’s what 1.1 should be.

Make it count.

3. The Rule 5 Draft is at 5PM Today

First, lets get this out of the way. The Pirates were at 38/40 on their 40-man, so they have room to add. Yes, they have agreed to terms with two free agents, but both have to pass physicals and sign before the roster has to reflect that. Bottom line, they still have room if they want to make a selection.

And they really should. My target is Erik Miller from the Phillies. A bit left handed pitcher who I believe they could take a shot at, let him compete all Spring to win a spot in that pen and if he fails, return him, no harm, no foul.

If he makes it, you have a high ceiling guy who I personally think is right on the cusp of ready to compete in a valuable need position for this club. The Pirates pick 3rd as the lottery doesn’t effect this draft order, so they’ll likely have choices who are attractive on the board.

As to whom I think they have risk of losing, my list is pretty short.

Cody Bolton, he’s been a starter, had a nice bounce back season in 2022 and could easily survive a bullpen all season somewhere.

Tahnaj Thomas, a guy who can hit triple digits on the gun is always an attractive pick up in the Rule five. His control has been his issue and it’s prevented his promotion through the system. He also moved from starting to bullpen which is ultimately where he belongs I believe so it wouldn’t shock me to see someone take a swing. I also think he’d be a big return to the club candidate if he is selected.

Matt Gorski, much like velocity, power is a draw. He has it, but he might not have enough upper level experience to see someone take a shot. Hard to stash a position player, but his field versatility gives him a better shot than most.

That’s it.

No I didn’t forget Nunez or Sabol, I simply don’t think they’ll be selected.

4. So, Where’s the Friggin’ Catcher?

We all knew they were going to have to get a catcher, and that was before they went ahead and told us in advance Endy Rodriguez, the teams top catching prospect and only one on the 40 man will start in AAA. He has all of 22 at bats at that level and he’ll be this year’s Oneil Cruz for everyone to scream for every time whomever they do bring in strikes out.

Well, the names I’ve heard are of course Roberto Perez, and Tucker Barnhart. Today, Jason Mackey confirmed one of them is at least getting attention from the team.

Think Jacob Stallings here. His offense is just about at that level and the glove is legit. He’s kinda a switch hitter. I say that because he used to be, then stopped to only focus on lefty hitting and went back to it last year with Detroit.

Now, he had a horrible year in Detroit, but going from one of the smallest ballparks in the country to one of the biggest can do that to a fella you know.

Bottom line, whomever they get here is a stopgap for Henry Davis and Endy Rodriguez.

I also wouldn’t rule out a guy like Blake Sabol winning a spot out of Spring. He’s too old to be concerned about super 2 or an extra year, and good enough back there to play second banana to a free agent while filling in elsewhere in the field on occasion. This paragraph probably says I should be concerned about Blake being taken in the Rule 5 but I just don’t think he’s done what he did last year long enough.

I don’t think they’ll get two guys here. They still have Delay if they chose to just go vanilla with the backup gig, and signing two like Barnhart and Perez would be a bit weird. That said, if you can get both for say 4 or 5 million to be a unit, maybe.

5. Now About That Lefty Starter

There are no guarantees they get one.

We keep seeing them fall off the board though, the latest being Jose Quintana to the Mets. Sean Manea is still out there, with minimal rumors surrounding him oddly. He did have an off season but that seemingly doesn’t scare the Pirates off from many free agents does it?

I think if I had to guess right now, Ryan Yarbrough is a guy that seems to fit what the Pirates typically look for.

I’ll say this, if they don’t get one it’s a mistake. Having an all right handed rotation is certainly not unprecedented, but you need in my opinion a lefty to break up the lineup consistency from the opponents.

David Price is too old most likely, but could work. Carlos Rodon I’m not going to waste my time pretending. Wade Miley can’t stay healthy. Mike Minor you wish he wouldn’t stay healthy. Drew Smyly is interesting. Danny Duffy, meh.

The Pirates claim to want to show improvement this year and to me this is a very important component. They may have to consider trading to get it.

6. Reynolds

Mid week, no rules, so I’m going six today.

There really isn’t much on this to add to what I’ve already written.

It’s very much so feeling like the Pirates plan to just keep him, and according to by contacts, they’re probably not even done trying to get a deal done.

I don’t write this to get your hopes up, and someone could certainly come along with a deal they can’t pass up, but just this week at the Winter Meetings Derek Shelton and Ben Cherington doubled down on keeping him, liking him, having a good relationship with him and Cherington in particular went so far as to essentially point a finger at his agent for this becoming a story.

Take from that what you will.

I take from it that for now, he’s going to be a Pirate when the season gets underway if only because they can’t find a way to square “showing real improvement in 2023” with trading their best player and no team can offer a return that accomplishes something that even resembles that.

Stay tuned.

Pirates Vs. Reynolds Might Not Be That Bad

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Craig and Chris tackle the obvious topic of the Bryan Reynolds’ Trade Request; and why you shouldn’t hit the panic button just yet.  Also, they add some thoughts on the Rule 5 Draft. 

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Five Pirates Thoughts at Five

12-5-22 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

MLB’s Winter Meetings were always going to be interesting for the Pirates this year, but as they get underway, the main topic of discussion has shifted to one subject.

I’ve written as much as I know about the Reynolds situation, but no chance I get through 5 Pirates thoughts without him and his situation creeping in.

Let’s do this folks, cause Reynolds here or gone there will still be a team come April so even if that’s all you want to hear about right now, I’m going to try real hard to keep in mind there are other issues.

Not to ignore the elephant in the room, but to instead keep in mind there are multiple elephants. This team already had work to do, if they move Reynolds, they have even more.

1. Hostages VS Volunteers

This dichotomy was pointed out last Steelers season by Mike Tomlin when explaining why they went ahead and traded outside linebacker Melvin Ingram to the Chiefs after he had requested to be moved. The NFL, NBA and even the NHL are simply different entities, and the punitive nature of a player sitting out is often far less oppressive than it is in MLB. Remember how “stupid” the Steelers were for capitulating?

Many people have already cited something similar with Bryan Reynolds’ situation.

Here’s the thing though, this is a valuable player to the organization. You’ve all seen the trade pieces the Justin, Joe and Corey write on our site, they all use FV or Future Value to estimate the value of a player. This is one way to do it, not the only way by any stretch, but in some form or fashion, every team, every site, every agent, has a method for valuing their assets. For Bryan, he’s worth in the case of FV, close to 59 million dollars.

That means in the 3 years he’s still controlled, meaning arbitration eligible which he’d remain even if traded by the way, that’s the asset cost formulated to calculate an adequate return.

Again every team or agent will have a different number for this. Some could have him as low as 40 or 45, others could have him even higher.

I said yesterday, the Pirates were under no obligation to move him just because he requested it, and of course, that gets pushback.

Way back in 1974, and thanks to my buddy Craig Toth for this, the league and the union made a change to the arbitration and service time process. This change has done something to expressly address the eventuality that players would not be happy with the club that drafted them. MLB and the Union agreed to not allow service time to accrue during holdouts.

Let me simplify this for you here. If Bryan were to sit out 2023 in protest, first of all, he’d be the first to do so since the rule change back in 1974, and he’d quite literally only devolve his own situation. Meaning all he’d do is kick his team control clock down the road.

I say this because I was caught off guard by some big names in the baseball writing world both nationally and locally seem to think Reynolds sitting out is a real possibility, even with some saying he could “afford it”.

So could everyone else. What they can’t afford or more accurately won’t afford, is to make free agency even further away than it already is.

Now, if you want to get into moral issues, have at it, but this happens every single year. Think Vlad is pleased to still be dealing with arbitration in Toronto? Devers seems pretty happy about it in Boston. Kris Bryant did the same thing in Chicago. It’s part of the game, and folks if he’s not traded, he’ll play.

No, he won’t tank either. All that would do is hurt his value and his own free agency when it does come up. If anything he’d actually make it harder to move him.

Bottom line, the Pirates aren’t going to move him for nothing, fully acknowledging there is no “winning” a deal like this. If they choose to just hold on to him, he’ll play, and I’m sure he’ll look like himself because he’s a professional. They could very much so subscribe to Tomlin’s statement up there, but if the hit it causes their plan is too steep, well, changing a moral compass is often easily justified in life isn’t it?

Some fans will take this as Bryan not wanting to play for them, as in fans, not the team, and they’ll take it out on him, which is just as dumb as hating a guy for signing a big contract and then not being good enough in your eyes to “earn his paycheck”.

This is a sport, but in the offseason it’s a business. Business isn’t always pretty, or fair, but it is bound by rules, regulations and history tends to be a true predictor of outcome.

The more I look at this situation, the more I think a 2 year deal was signed with a soft promise they’d revisit an extension this offseason that could potentially pay him more than the 6.25 million he’s signed for in 2023 as well as move them into the future. That’s the only way I see this entire situation turning on a heel this quickly, but on this, I’m guessing.

Finally, every major league has an entry level process, and every one of them has come under fire for not being fair. This sort of thing isn’t new, it’s just not often public.

2. The Song Remains the Same

The Pirates still have the same holes they need to fill, perhaps with the addition of a veteran starting quality outfielder.

They must get a starting pitcher, preferably a left handed one. They must get a catcher, preferably starting quality. They need to get a left handed reliever minimally for the pen.

They can’t lose sight of a couple things while this drama is going on.

This team has to win with Oneil Cruz. Every year they don’t surround him is just as dumb as the years they spent doing the same to Reynolds.

Ideally those two would be together, but either way, because of Cruz they can’t afford to just allow this whole thing to essentially take a step back.

I’m under no illusion that this management team is beyond error, that’s fairly clear no? I’d like to think they understand where they are and why they simply can’t decide this situation should have them looking to put progress on hold.

Oh, don’t get me wrong, it very well could have them frozen almost, but my point is it shouldn’t.

Just like you expect Oneil to learn to handle a curveball, so too the front office should be expected to handle a change to the expected path to relevancy. I’ve already talked about the very real hit losing a player like Reynolds will be, at this stage of the offseason the Pirates or any team that doesn’t feel they have the wherewithal to address the issues created is lying.

This isn’t like your star player ruptures his ACL on April 1st and your hands are tied. It’s December 5th. They have next to no payroll, they have prospect capital, they have a star they could move.

I’m not saying it would be easy, but I am saying if they let this situation derail everything, it’s an active choice, not something they were dealt.

In other words, if my nice SUV should die tomorrow and I still owe half it’s worth, I may have to get a Kia just to have some wheels as opposed to just sit there thinking I’m going to hitchhike to work every day until I pay it off. You can’t expect to replace the player entirely, but you can put in place a reasonable facsimile that minimizes the pain.

Don’t let them off the hook here for this aspect. This situation sucks, but they have options at their disposal to make it suck less.

Of all the things the Pirates do wrong, the worst is willingly being a victim. MLB disadvantaged this market along with some others with their system, the Pirates often strive to have you believe its more out of their hands than reality dictates.

3. What the System Lacks

The Pirates system is quite good. Lots of depth, nice quality, spaced out enough to expect it to help the big club for years to come. What it’s missing though in my mind is transformative players.

They have a whole lot of good, but I look at the system right now and I don’t see a whole lot of obvious future MVP candidates.

You know what I mean too. I see no Wander Franco, no Julio Rodriguez, I’m not seeing a Bobby Witt Jr. or a Vlad Jr. I see lots of really good players, maybe even some future All Stars, but for a team that has picked as close to the top of the board as the Pirates have, I just don’t see many players that have the anticipation Oneil Cruz brought with him.

Maybe it’s because I can’t see it.

For instance, entering last season I’d have Endy Rodriguez in that category. Very good, probably not transformative. Now, I think if anyone in the system who’s close has that ability it might be him. So maybe it’s just I’m not doing a good job of seeing through the incubation period.

That’s me being nice though. I’m not here to tell you I’m the best talent evaluator alive or anything, but I can also say I knew Witt, Rodriguez and Wander were going to be difference makers, just like most people who pay attention did. More importantly, I know when I don’t see it.

If I had to pick one really young guy right now and predict he had the stuff to really be this type of player, I might have to go Anthony Solometo but even he is so raw it’s hard to pin something like that on him.

Again, there will be a lot of good players that come out of this system, I truly mean that, but everyone should know, for a team like this to shock the world, they’ll need more than just Cruz to be that type of freak.

4. Early Reports…

The Winter Meetings are in full swing today, and things that get started here will often reignite come deadline time.

For now, the Pirates seem to be sticking to their guns. Robert Murray, one of my very favorite national baseball writers says in this YouTube post that the chances of moving Reynolds at this time is “slim”, and I can totally believe that, but that doesn’t mean foundation won’t be laid here.

In other words, the Pirates may not be willing right now, but they’ll lay out their expectations for return and see what teams consider an overreach.

I’ve also been told from the team perspective, this isn’t a fe de’ compli and they aren’t ruling out taking one more swing at getting something done.

Don’t get your hopes up, simply passing on what I’m hearing, and things like this will often get leaked just to reinforce how loathed they are to deal an asset.

The Marlins have put some players on the table that could force this deal to make sense for the Pirates.

This is an opportunity to get that front line starter under team control for 3 or more years. Now, does that matter if it means your historically bad offense just lost one of it’s best players? Debatable.

These rumors are going to be increasingly crazy. When they really get insane and the Pirates say no, you’ll know how serious they are about sticking to their guns here.

We’ll see.

5. 11 Years, 300 Million

Trea Turner just signed with the Phillies for that amount and for that long. He’ll be 40 in the last year of that deal.

Justin Verlander took a two year deal from the Mets for 86.66 Million and he’s already 40 and will be pitching next to Max Scherzer who will be 40 when his 130 million dollar deal is through.

We’re told that fear of regression in a long contract is part of why the Pirates and Bryan Reynolds had negotiations break down, but folks, teams have found they have to ignore that traditional wisdom to do business in this league, and the numbers are only getting bigger and the contracts longer.

I’m not one of these people who’s going to sit here and tell you these big spenders are dumb or that these are bad contracts. I think it’s clear especially in the case of the Turner deal, that the Phillies are just fine if he only gives them 7 years of great. The fade years are a calculated risk, a posting fee if you will.

MLB is pay to play and the Pirates don’t spend and even if they will they won’t lock themselves in for knowingly buying years that have the slightest chance of being past prime.

Nothing depresses a fan base like Pittsburgh more than watching some of these numbers fly by the screen.

All of the concerns you’ve been told are out there are immediately proven to be necessary risks for teams that are really in it.

Contract after contract roll in, each one in comparison to the Pirates total payroll laughable.

Thing is, deals like this are really what the Pirates can’t compete with. They could afford 3 or 4 years of Turner at 23.5 per, they just can’t afford (or at least think they can’t) to spend that on what by the end would be far from their best player.

Is this all Nutting? Partially for sure, but look the Cardinals are the only team in our division that could even entertain this type of deal, and even they tend to shy away from going this big.

Nutting stinks. He’s not been a good steward of this franchise, but my fandom stretches back long before he was involved.

I’ve never seen my team truly in the conversation for any top line free agent. Not in my lifetime.

I’ll leave it here today.

Baseball is broken, it has been and the next chance that it isn’t comes in 2027.

It couldn’t possibly be more clear the Pirates won’t and honestly couldn’t if they wanted to, buy their way in to relevancy.

Want to know why fans buy this year after year? Well, they love baseball, love their city, love the colors, and hope against hope that this time they do everything perfectly. That’s why this Reynolds situation is such a dagger, clearly perfectly is already out the window.

We simply aren’t playing the same game here in Pittsburgh. There are other teams in the same boat to be sure, but no matter how you peel the onion you wind up with stinky fingers and tears in your eyes.

The one thing positive to take from what we’ll watch unfold this offseason, the more ridiculous the divide gets, the larger the chance MLB has to fix it in some way. I just can’t guarantee we’ll like the fix.

Two Guys Talkin’ Trades: Winter Meetings

12-5-22 – By Justin Verno & Corey Shrader – @JV_PITT and @CoreyShrader on Twitter

Justin Verno- Welp Corey the time is up. Please put your pencils down, close your test booklet and pass it to the person in front of you. The Winter Meetings have begun.

Corey Shrader- The Winter Meetings always mark the beginning of a new season to me. We’ve seen some big names start to sign and join new teams already and I anticipate that we will see some more of that in the coming days.

JV- A quick note here, Corey and I started to put this together Thursday December 1st and will update until it gets published. So if it appears a tad choppy that might explain why, we want to get as many “rumors” in here as we can. And Corey, we really haven’t heard too many as of December the 1st.

CS- Well, I guess we should probably discuss the large elephant in the room, shouldn’t we?

These 2 tidbits were all we had until a few short hours ago Corey. When everything came to a screeching halt and we were thrown a curveball event the best hitters would struggle with.

This last piece is supposed to address all the current rumors we’ve heard so we can give quick thoughts on what we think could be fun to see. To glance over those final values and attach some names to them. But honestly Corey, it’s become a last second Bryan Reynolds piece. I can’t imagine we hear too many  more rumors that don’t have his name attached to it?

Here’s what I’m thinking, make a quick list of teams that could be calling GMBC on Reynolds, splitting it in half and taking turns in giving a package, speed round style?

CS –  I’ve got to think Reynolds is the main name on pretty much every team’s radar after the news of his trade request hit. Running down a list of potential suitors seems like a prudent approach to me.

JV-  As we get rolling here here’s a reminder of what Reynolds surplus looks like, and ZiPS has him at a 3.9 WAR in 23 so we are about 6 million shy in our SV.

I’ll get it kicked off with my obvious package (This should look familiar)

JV-Dodgers- Andy Pages– OF 50 FV(28M), Bobby Miller-SP 50 FV($21M) Maddux Bruns-SP–45+($6M)

Pages and Miller are close and Bruns give them something for later.

CS- Blue Jays – Orelvis Martinez – 3B/DH FV 50 ($28), Ricky Tiedemann – P FV 50 ($21)

Not without risk, Orelvis Martinez has grown man power. As a 20 year old he put up a 30 homer season at AA while being roughly 4 years younger than the average player in the level. The overall production was a little lacking (96 wRC+, .319 wOBA), but his power potential is tantalizing. Tiedemann was a breakout pitching prospect and would immediately become the Bucs best in the entire system upon acquisition.

JV-Rangers- Jack Leiter-SP 55 FV($34M), Cole Winn–SP FV 50($21M), Dustin Harris–1B FV 45($6M)

Two starters is not ideal but perhaps the Bucs can flip Cole and Harris has promise.

CS- Mets- Kevin Parada – C/OF FV 50 ($28), Mark Vientos – 1B FV 45 (6M), David Peterson – SP SV$16.4

Peterson plugs right into the 2023 rotation and is still pre-arbitration. Parada is another 2022 draftee with an enormous ceiling to his bat, and was linked to the Bucs at 1.4. Vientos is sort of outside looking in for the Mets, currently blocked by Eduardo Escobar and Brett Baty at 3B and The Polar Bear at 1B,  his big power can plug right in for the Bucs.

JV- This article is now interrupted with a fresh dose of rumors. Corey, we have to add the Rockies and Braves per sources(Yankees are mentioned here as well but that isn’t at all news)

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/rockies-yankees-braves-interested-in-bryan-reynolds.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

And now back to our  regularly scheduled program.

JV-Rockies- Zach Veen–OF– FV 50($28M0, Drew Romo–C– FV 50($28M0, Jaden Hill–P– FV 40+($3M)

A sneaky good package from a surprise entry in the Reynolds sweepstakes. (Jaden Hill has a ton of upside)

CS- Red Sox – Ceddanne Rafaela – OF FV 45 ($6), Blaze Jordan – 1B FV 40+ ($4), Miguel Bleis – OF FV 50 ($28), Wikelman Gonzalez – P FV 45+ ($6)

This trade partner is also a little questionable for me. Sure this package adds up, but there is no “star” level prospect here. I am a bit bullish on Rafaela given his defense is borderline elite and the bat looks to be outperforming expectations. But the timeline for the rest is pretty far out. 

JV-Cards- Jordan Walker–OF– FV 60($55M), Gordon Graceffo-SP- FV 50($21M)

Cards want Reynolds they need to really ante up, I would actually want  one more decent prospect here, but you get the point. 

CS- Astros – Hunter Brown – SP FV 50 ($21), Drew Gilbert – OF FV45 ($6), Bryan Abreu – RP SV$4.7, Colton Gordon – P FV ? (0)

Must admit, I am not certain that I see this as a great matchup despite them having a need to upgrade their OF. Brown can plug in immediately, Gilbert was another 2022 draftee that I would have seriously considered at 1.4, Abreu plugs in immediately to the back-end of the bullpen, & Colton Gordon is a lottery ticket that does not have a clear picture of value, but I think would make a terrific tack on here.

JV-Rays– Taj Bradely–SP- FV 55($34M), Kyle Manzardo–1B– FV 50 ($28M)

 A bit of an overpay and it seems the Rays have no interest in moving Bradely.

CS- Guardians –  George Valera – OF FV 50 ($28), Tanner Bibee – P FV 50 ($21)

Both of these guys have impact potential. Valera has power & plate discipline in spades. Bibee is tremendously underrated at the moment of writing this, but you should expect to see him getting his just deserts soon. His fastball exploded in 2022 & pairing it with his good slider makes him, for my money, the second best pitcher in the Cleveland system and would likely be the best arm in Pittsburgh’s upon entering theirs.

JV-SFG- Kyle Harrison-SP– FV 55($34M), Luis Matos–OF– FV 50($28M)

Another overpay, and you can see what I’m doing here? Cherington should not settle if he is to move Reynolds, pay up or move on.

CS- Braves – Vaughn Grissom – SS/2B SV (21.8), Kyle Mueller P – FV 45 ($4), JR Ritchie – P FV 45 ($4), Justyn-Henry Malloy 3B/OF – FV 35+ ($1)

Perhaps the team with the toughest fit of all that I was tasked with is Atlanta. This package is the best I could come up with and it falls significantly short on value. Grissom would almost have to be the headliner and the rest of the package is still quite tricky. I do think Malloy is undervalued as he just broke out in 2022 and do expect a solid FV bump for 2023. I just can’t see them getting it done with the Braves (or at least I hope not).

JV- Marlins-Trevor Rogers–SP SV $40M, Jordan Berry–1B FV 50($28M), Dax Fulton–SP– FV 45($4M)

I thought about insisting on Eury Perez, and perhaps they do. Edward Cabrera could also be used. Marlins have a few ways they can go. 

CS- Yankees – Jasson Dominguez – OF FV 50 (28M), Spencer Jones – OF FV 45 (6M), Trey Sweeney – INF FV 45 (6M), Clarke Schmidt – P SV$5.6

This package comes up a hair shy on Reynolds calculated SV, however, this is the type of package that would truly intrigue me. The Martian is an elite headliner, Spencer Jones is big/fast/strong & someone I wanted to see in the Bucs draft in 2022 (think Oneil Cruz tool-kit), Sweeney has incredible skills with the bat, and Schmidt is ready to enter the rotation right now. Some may think this is “light”, but I would disagree. For me it checks several boxes it would take to move Reynolds. 

Wrap it up

JV- Sticking with the Christmas theme, I wonder if the Bucs find a shiny new toy, or three, under their tree this December? 

If they do trade Reynolds GMBC simply can not give Reynolds up for anything other than a wow type of package, Corey.  Even with a request to be traded. Cherington has to make it make sense.

CS- Pittsburgh is under no obligation to deal their star CF away. The front office should be fielding all calls and trying to leverage them as best they can, but they still should be feeling pressure from fans here to get a winning team on the field ASAP. That likely means keeping Reynolds in the mix, in my opinion. Unless the relationship is truly irreparable, the goal should be to continue to add talent around the roster WITH Bryan Reynolds at its heart.

What a wild first few days of the Winter Meetings!

Bryan Reynolds Requests a Trade – What We Know, and Where We Go From Here

12-3-22 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

So that happened.

The Pirates and Bryan Reynolds were actively negotiating a long term extension, the were doing it rather quietly, then the Reynolds camp declares an “impasse” and put out into the universe that he had requested a trade.

The Pirates almost instantly reacted, leading one to believe they weren’t shocked to see his camp put it out there.

Look, there’s simply no way to spin something like this. It’s not a good situation, it has potential to get really ugly, and everyone will absolutely pick sides, heavily leaning toward the player who doesn’t have a history of being malcontent or outspoken toward the team.

Let’s start with the facts. Always a good place to start.

  • Bryan Reynolds is under team control through 2025 and under contract this year for 6.25 Million dollars
  • Bryan is entering his year 28 season, then has two more years of arbitration
  • The Pirates offered him a contract that would be monetarily the biggest ever offered by the franchise. All this really means is it was worth more than 70 million and without knowing the length of the deal or exact number, that first sentence is really all we can say.
  • A player requesting a trade does not obligate the team to accommodate and if their statement is to be believed, they don’t plan on doing so.
  • Baseball’s Winter Meetings start on December 4th, and you can expect 25 GMs to see just how much the Pirates meant their statement.

Now that’s what I can reasonably call fact right now. There are other nuggets floating around about his exact request, but I can’t confirm them, and haven’t seen anyone credible do so either.

I can say, from what I’m told, this is a lot more a out term than it is value. In other words, Bryan wants to stay longer than the Pirates feel comfortable committing to.

That’s the lay of the land as I know it right now.

So, He’s Getting Moved Right?

Well, it certainly didn’t become less likely did it? First thing to say is, the Pirates statement is relatively useless. Even if they were fully convinced to move him now, of course they’re going to act like they don’t want to.

Couple reasons there of course, one, they genuinely don’t want to move him, and two, when someone finds out you have to sell something, they aren’t going to offer top dollar are they?

All that being said, I believe Ben Cherington truly had no intention of moving him this year, instead opting to just let him play out arbitration.

A miscalculation on his part, but something that happens every year to players all over the league. A very similar situation played out with Juan Soto last season, on a much larger scale, but similar in amount of team control remaining and genuine effort to make a deal happen from both sides.

Soto of course started 2022 with the Nationals and was dealt at the deadline to the Padres for a bunch of prospects.

Now that’s how they’re similar, here’s how they aren’t. The Nationals at that moment made the decision to enter a full rebuild, the Pirates just a couple weeks ago decided to start making an effort to take a step forward.

That means a couple things. One, the Pirates are likely not interested in a haul of young prospects with super high upside that start in Bradenton and Greensboro and don’t arrive in Pittsburgh if they pan out until 2025 or 2026. And if they ask for MLB talent and or AAA talent they deem close, they have to be very careful or they repeat the mistakes of the Gerrit Cole trade.

Even though Joe Musgrove worked out and ultimately became a star pitcher, it took too long to have the desired effect of losing a huge star and somehow not falling off a cliff.

There is simply no winning a deal like this. You survive it, or maybe overcome it, but you don’t win it. That’s reality.

There is no way to see trading Reynolds but to accept the team is taking a step back and the timeline is going to have to adjust.

And that’s if. IF there are some stars, even if only to the level the Reynolds is currently in this batch of players that remain and will arrive in 2023. Even then, to expect a kid to be Reynolds in his Rookie year is unfair, unlikely, and setting yourself up for disappointment that might rival losing Reynolds in the first place.

Any Way This Can Be Salvaged?

Nobody serious has an answer here. What I can say is as recently as October Reynolds spoke openly about understanding where the team was, and wanting to grow with this group and win with this group.

As recently as October the Pirates spoke openly about how much they respected and wanted to have him be a part of this.

The Pirates made an offer, and they have before.

Maybe this is all about pushing and they find a way to make it work, but typically when these things reach the point of involving the media, the writing is on the wall.

I mention the first part, because this isn’t about the team performance or the like, it’s about a player valuing himself, at the very least for a longer contract than his ball club wanting to go.

If it were simply he was tired of losing, probably too far gone.

All that being said, it seem likely he’ll wind up being moved. I said signing him this offseason was crucial if they planned to have him here when the window truly opens, and here we are. It was crucial because next offseason had they not done the extension, he was likely going to have to be considered for a deal at the very least.

Never say never, but…

Now What if He’s Moved?

I already covered that it’s gonna be a hit, regardless of return, so lets for right now not worry about who comes back.

The outfield would be some mix of Suwinski, Smith-Njigba, Bae, Mitchell, Andujar, Swaggerty, Vilade, Gorski, Fraiser, and beyond that you have guys like Endy, Triolo, Castillo, and Marcano.

Lots of names, not very much you can say is established.

Let’s face it, the outfield for 3 years has been Reynolds and everyone else. Take Reynolds out and you have everyone else.

It’s gonna hurt.

Now, that return could have an option in there, or god forbid they could spend what they would have on him and buy a free agent.

Now, My Thoughts

First things first, Bryan hits free agency as a 31 year old, and if he waits for a big contract until he reaches it naturally he’ll likely not get the term he’s looking for. He has every right to reject any offer he gets and bet on himself.

I don’t think he’s looking for an unreasonable deal, and at the same time, by most accounts from reporters and my own discussions, I think the Pirates made a decent offer.

From the time the Pirates started this rebuild, Reynolds and Hayes were the two players in the strangest positions. Reynolds more so.

They were both going to exhaust team control sometime smack in the middle of when this thing started to take shape. The Pirates took care of Hayes, making sure he would be here and have bumbled the handling of Reynolds predating the arbitration flap from last season.

The two year deal that Bryan signed last year was essentially forced by Bob Nutting, who stepped in to tell his GM he didn’t want to see this play out. When he signed that two year deal, it wasn’t a great sign that the two sides were close, and today, it would seem they haven’t significantly moved closer.

I’m not a big grandstand guy. I won’t be calling for heads or demanding things from people who aren’t listening anyway. What I will do is point out that the process this team is trying to pull off is already arguably the hardest thing to do in professional sports management.

Trying to long term develop a system, field a team entirely sprouted from your own seeds, time them all up so the team isn’t filled with expensive holes and keep your eyes peeled on how the team keeps itself on the verge continually after you reach a certain competitive level, by moving strategic veterans for youth as new prospects mature.

It’s what the Rays do, and anyone that follows them knows that hard decisions are made every season.

Here’s the thing though, they retain players. Not all of them, not forever, but they lock up a Wander Franco for 10 years. They lock up a Blake Snell for 6 or 7, even if they do move him anyway.

The Rays system ceases to work if you fail at any step and or fail to perform all the steps.

The Pirates at this stage, by potentially letting their best (current) player go is not going to set them up for maximizing this first wave. It means Cruz can’t just be very good, he has to be a superstar. It means Hayes can’t just be a great defender, he now has to hit. It means you better get 3 or 4 gems out of Henry Davis, Liover Peguero, Quinn Priester, Endy Rodriguez, Jack Suwinski, Nick Gonzales, Ji Hwan Bae, or Mike Burrows.

This General Manager can’t get caught flat footed like this.

You can lose players, but you better not lose them before you expect, or dare I say, want to lose them.

When you’re playing a game that requires very few mistakes, you sure as hell better know that 6 years of control means 6 years of control. If you want that 6 to be 10 you better make sure you don’t piss around and make it so.

Here’s the really annoying thing, I actually think they believe they could just ride out his arbitration, be decent in 2025, and I mean like playoffs decent folks, and let him walk believing they’d be ready with another guy by then.

Can you imagine what you’d have to say when that happens? I can, I too was alive in 2016.

Doesn’t sound as different as we were told it would be does it?

They’ve decided at 30, Bryan won’t have 4-5 more years in him, at least not for what they’d have to pay. Bryan has decided he will.

Look, I’m always going to follow this team, and I’ll cover them for as long as you all keep wanting me to, but this is the stuff that tanks rebuilds. An unscheduled stop on the dismantle train or a horrible trade can literally send this management team into damage control, and in damage control, GMs do dumb things, or worse they get stubborn and freeze.

Pivotal times for this franchise right now folks.

No sugar coating, no spinning it positive, just real talk for you.

Your team just got smacked in the face with the reality of operating in a business they really haven’t spent money on since 2016.

The offseason just took a turn, and honestly, it could go in about 10 different directions including Bryan wearing black and gold all year long.

Whatever happens, I’ll live in the reality the Pirates so often avoid.