Top 10 Prospects in Order of Expected 2023 Impact

12-2-22 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

This week, Baseball America released a new top 10 prospects for the Pirates. These lists always get conversation going, but to me, a lot of people kinda misunderstand what these lists are. They are intended to be a list of which prospects are seen to have the most talent, the best shot at being a star in MLB. Many take it as simply, the best, or even closest to being a Pirates player.

Here’s the order Baseball America came up with.

1. Endy Rodriguez
2. Termarr Johnson
3. Henry Davis
4. Luis Ortiz
5. Quinn Priester
6. Bubba Chandler
7. Liover Peguero
8. Nick Gonzales
9. Mike Burrows
10. Thomas Harrington

Argue about that if you’d like, I truly couldn’t care less. These lists mean absolutely nothing to me. For instance, had Termarr Johnson been selected in 2021 and Henry Davis in 2022, they’re probably flipped on this list. Neither having done anything different.

Today, I wan to create a list of which prospects I believe have the best chance to make or return to the big club and make an actual impact.

I’ll do these in order with 10 being the lowest and 1 being the top. Should be interesting, and honestly as I sit here fixing to write this puppy, I truly don’t know where I’m going to land or why. Sometimes I just write these things for the fun of the exercise and this is one of those times. Some of these names could even be selected in the Rule 5 draft, when that is a possibility, I’ll mention it in the write up.

Let’s GO!

10. Canaan Smith-Njigba (OF)

Canaan was one of the first call ups last year and was off to a great start in his 3 games before suffering a fractured right wrist. I toyed with Travis Swaggerty here, but I chose Canaan because the Pirates did last year over Travis, and I think they’ll do so again if given the choice.

I actually think Canaan could challenge Cal Mitchell for a spot on the roster, even if he doesn’t it stands to reason he’d be one of their top call up options when and if a need arises.

9. Ryan Vilade (OF)

The Pirates claimed Vilade after the Rockies ran out of room and had to DFA him, but he’s only got 3 games of MLB experience. A theme you’ll see throughout this list is a right handed bat gets a bump, and Ryan is a right handed bat.

I put him on this list because I think should he survive the additions to the roster and not be DFA’d along the way, he’s going to get a shot in Spring. Remember, impact starts by being in the league in the first place, a guy who has already reached it of course has a bit of a leg up.

8. Malcom Nunez (3B-DH-1B)

Malcom was not protected on the 40-man, we have to knock that out right away. I don’t personally think he’ll be selected but plenty of analysts do so I have to mention he might not be here. If he is, his biggest struggle might very well be his lack of position. Weird right? I mean I listed a couple for him after all. If I had to guess though, he’s a DH. He makes this list because he’s a right handed power option and this team despite trying to address it still has more lefties than righties.

A career .280 average and an OPS of .833 go along with his breakout power season where he hit 23 in 2022. Issue there is really the ballpark he played in with the Cardinals organization, it’s a bandbox and I’d guess the Pirates are going to want to see what he does with cavernous Indianapolis for a little at least.

7. Mike Burrows (SP)

In my mind, Burrows is the most evolved of all the starting pitching prospects in the system. He’s done nothing but improve every step he’s taken and last year he spent half the season with Indianapolis. I put him here because bluntly, he didn’t perform in AAA nearly as well as his time in AA Altoona and I think the team will want to see him correct some issues before giving him a shot. Mike has competition for being the next starter who gets a call, and you’ll see that later in the list, but if I was writing a list of who I think has the best MLB career out of Pirates prospects, he’s near the top.

6. Jared Triolo (3B-IF-OF)

Jared is quite possibly the most talented defender in the Pirates system, and folks I mean to tell you he rivals Ke’Bryan Hayes at 3B, which I’m not even convinced is his best position. With the universal DH, pinch hitting is less and less important when developing a roster, defensive replacements on the other hand are gaining prominence.

Jared may have to wait for an injury to get his shot, but if he does, one thing he will absolutely do is impress the hell out of you with the glove.

That’s what people will celebrate about him from the jump, but the bat isn’t exactly a waste. We’re talking about a career .281 hitter with a lifetime OPS of .796. Power numbers won’t blow you away but he hits enough extra base gap shots to rack up a SLG or .436 too. He walks, he doesn’t strike out, you know, the more you look at Jared the more you EXPECT him to make it to the show don’t you?

5. Matt Gorski (OF)

Matt isn’t first in line when it comes to outfield prospects. He’s got quite a line in front of him actually. He’s also not on the 40-man, which means he could get selected by another team, but if he survives, and gets back to doing what he started in 2022, he’s got something most of the others don’t, he’s right handed with big time power.

Again, he has work to do and the Pirates have reasons to delay adding him to the mix, but his age and potential power from a side of the dish the Pirates have struggled to populate make him an intriguing option.

4. Luis Ortiz (SP)

Luis pitched 4 games in MLB last year after starting in AA Altoona and a brief stint in AAA Indianapolis. In 3 of those MLB games he looked like a can’t miss tope end starter, in the 4th he looked like Luis Oviedo instead.

He’s a kid, but he’s also someone who has a few things to iron out and already has a taste of the league to work with. This gives him a leg up on other SP competition for a shot, so as long as he continues to improve his secondary pitches, he’ll be back, and likely do damage when he is.

3. Colin Selby (RP)

You aren’t going to find Selby on many top prospect lists, but to leave him off a list of players I truly feel could arrive and impact the team, he simply has to be on it. Relief pitchers tend to fly, and Colin already reached AAA at the end of the season. He can hit 100 on the gun, his other stuff plays, and he has enough things nailed down that the Pirates thought he’d get taken in the Rule 5 had they left him unprotected.

He’s not a lock to win a job in Spring by any stretch of the imagination, but he’s a flamethrower with options and anyone who’s watched baseball in the last decade knows damn well he’ll get his opportunities.

2. Endy Rodriguez (C-OF-2B-1B)

Unless you were under a rock last year, you’ve heard of Endy, and you’re likely more excited about him than any other prospect. The switch hitting prospect acquired in 2021 as part of a 3 team deal for Joe Musgrove. Considering he started 2022 in Greensboro and finished in Indianapolis probably illustrates how quickly things escalated for Rodriguez last year.

Consistently exceptional is a good way to describe what Endy has done in the minors and barring a major set back, he stands poised to hone his skills at a position of great need and pry the starting catcher job from whomever the Pirates allow to keep the seat warm.

1. Ji Hwan Bae (2B-OF)

We all got to see Bae toward the end of 2022, and most people have him penciled in as a nailed on lock to make the opening day roster, but 10 big league games is no hall pass to never see AAA again. 37 plate appearances, 11 hits, .830 OPS, look, the kid did nothing to show the stage was too big, but still, competition is absolutely going to be a thing in Spring and nobody should consider this a finished decision.

I personally think Bae will make it and likely play more CF than 2B. His speed is elite and he’s hit the ball at every level as he’s progressed.

Who missed the cut?

Henry Davis – He had an injury plagued 2022, hasn’t progressed beyond AA, is likely going to get beaten to MLB by Endy Rodriguez and in my mind needs more work. He could also make it in 2023, but in my mind, he’d need some significant injuries and to take a bit of a pronounced step forward.

Mason Martin – Even if Mason comes along this year, I can’t imagine him jumping Nunez. The strike out has been a huge problem but being left handed won’t help him either. Injuries happen so anything is possible but as I sit here, I can’t see him getting significant playing time in 2023.

Quinn Priester – The Pirates have more options to start than they’ve had in recent years, and they probably aren’t done adding. For Quinn I see this as a numbers game, he didn’t need protected from the Rule 5 so he isn’t on the 40. A whole lot would have to happen including his own progression to see him make the big club in any meaningful way beyond September call up stuff.

Nick Gonzales – Injuries derailed his 2022, and when he was healthy he struggled to really get his feet under him. I believe he’ll make his debut at some point in 2023 but I’m simply not counting on him for much production, not yet. Not a reflection of the player I think he’ll be, but instead the circumstances of a team that won’t need to force the issue with a non 40 man guy.

Liover Peguero – He debuted last year, but man did he struggle with the glove in 2022. If Oneil Cruz would get injured god forbid, I can see it, or if Castro or Bae were to sustain a long term injury Peggy could get a look. Thing is, he was added to the 40 last year to protect him from a draft that never happened and that happened simply because he was a top 100 prospect. I’m not sure if he’s done anything since to show progression. That’s his challenge this year, show you’re still a guy we need to carve space for.

Two Guys Talkin’ Trades Winter Meeting: Another Fun Part

Justin Verno – Corey, the Event Horizon is coming up fast. Next Sunday the MLB teams will descend upon San Diego. No hostages will be spared and the Winter Meetings will take place. It is…inevitable!

We’ve shown what the Bucs could get by moving Bryan Reynolds and David Bednar. We’ve suggested what it could look like if the front office got jiggy with it and traded for some help in the OF.

Now up? Let’s put together some trades for some starting pitchers!

CS – I often think of the winter meetings as the opening act of the new season. We begin to see some player movement via trades, free agency, etc. The league has been suspiciously quiet of late. So here is to hoping we amp up some action this weekend. 

Ahead of this we want to take a look at some starting pitching moves that we think we’d like to see the Pirates consider. And I’ll admit, the market is a lot tougher to find workable matches here. Let’s jump in, shall we?

JV – Last week we set the ground rules for these trades. We both gave an example of a rental, a prospect for prospect, and a controlled player.  I vote we keep that format since we really don’t know the level of  “all in” the FO will have for 2023-24. Not yet anyway.

And away we go.

The Rental

JV – Finding a rental wasn’t at all easy. There’s not a lot of true rentals in the starter market. I fished around and considered using two years of control for my “rental” and decided that was cheating. Then I landed on one that made sense.

The Yanks seem to be dialed in to adding a starter via FA (they have interest in Jacob deGrom) or a trade. They also seem to be trying to keep Aaron Judge and adding a SS. While the Yanks are always willing to go over the MLB soft cap, they usually don’t want to exceed it by a whole lot. So moving Frankie Montas and his $7 million dollar price tag should be on the table for the NYY.  

2.423 WAR Streamers est
2.4Total WAR
x9Cost of a win
21.6Total value
7.7Salary
13.9Surplus Value

13.9 SV for Montas will make him an attractive trade piece.

THE DEAL

Yankees get:

David Bednar- RP-SV $23M

So hear me out. I get that giving up control of a closer for one year of Montas seems an odd thought. And normally you’d be spot on, but the Yankees need a closer and the Bucs can take a look at adding other pieces in the deal. They  should also consider Montas to be an extension candidate or even flip him at the deadline. 

Pirates get:

Frankie Montas–SP–SV $7M

Montas never settled in at Yankee stadium and could find himself on the end of a trade like this. He’s a guy that GMBC should consider a safe ad. He immediately makes the rotation better and Cherington should try to get an extension done before the year starts. If they are not able to get that done, Montas becomes a quality flip candidate.

Austin Wells-C/RF–ETA:2023–FV 45($6M)

Currently a catcher but he’s plenty athletic enough to move to RF. Wells is a former 1st rounder and the power bat is what catches the eye. While the Bucs MiLB system has some interesting OF prospects I’m not sure any have the power Wells could offer and the eye to go with it.  Slashing a healthy .261/.360/.429 with an OPS of .839 in AA. Wells also took his shares of walks 11.7% and had a solid K rate, 23.5%. 

Luis Gill-RP-ETA:2022– FV 45($4M)

Once a starter and top prospect, Gil has the look of a late inning reliever, perhaps the closer of the Bucs future? He’s another FB/SL combo guy that the Pirates, and every team, covet. With FV scouting grades of 70 for his FB and a 60 for the slider, this is a guy that Yankee fans would hate to lose.

If the Bucs are to give up Bednar in a deal like this they would have to make a commitment to getting an extension done at any cost, and adding a Frankie Montas to the rotation would be a monster move. 

CS – As mentioned, the rental market for pitchers is a tough one to navigate, but for my proposal we head to Minnesota.

Pirates get:

Kenta Maeda – SP SV$10.37

Twins get:

Ji Hwan Bae – UT/OF SV $11ish (FV = $6.00)

As you will see below things can get tricky with making values fit. Ji Hwan Bae has a strong Steamer projection. That places his SV higher than his prospect FV figure. In these cases I lean toward the projection system given there is more behind it than an FV equaling an $ amount. 

Bae gets quite a bit of buzz among Pirates fans, and there is a good reason for that. He flashed some exciting stuff both in the minors and in his 10 game sample at the MLB level. He is a premium athlete with some gap-to-gap power and top end speed. He would fill a need for the Twins in multiple areas providing corner OF play as well as ability to cover multiple positions on the infield. One wrinkle is that Minnesota is a little lefty-heavy already, but, he would make some sense for them in exchange for a rental.

Maeda is a risky player to acquire. He is turning 35 this season and coming off of Tommy John surgery. While he is not owed a massive amount of money ($3.125 million in 2023), it is a decent investment in a recently injured & aging hurler. 

When healthy Maeda is a very solid arm for any rotation, averaging roughly 2.3 fWAR across his 6 season career in the Majors. But his return to form is far from sure. He could give Pittsburgh a veteran upgrade at pitcher that they sorely need. Maeda usually gets by on his offspeed stuff, so should his velocity not return in whole, he will likely have a shot to meet or exceed his projected fWAR of 1.5.

A fly in the ointment here is that I do not fully understand Minnesota’s direction. They underperformed expectations in 2022, but the talented core is there. Do they trim some payroll? Do they add and count 2022 as bad luck? I admit, I cannot tell what their path will be, and that would certainly impact their willingness to listen on or move Maeda. 

Blocked Prospect:

CS-Let me start by saying this is a “choose your own adventure” proposal. I have three Pirates players that I think could fit the bill here. One upper level minor league/borderline MLB ready player, one upper level minor league hitter, and one lower minor league prospect. I would be fine with letting any of them go in a move like this.

Pirates get:

Hunter Gaddis – SP/RP SV $2

Guardians get:

Canaan Smith-Njigba – OF SV $2

or 

Sergio Campana – OF SV $2

or 

Tucupita Marcano – UT – SV $2.9

My “blocked prospect” proposal is Cleveland Guardians pitcher, Hunter Gaddis. 

Gaddis is a 24 year old, 6’6”, 212lb RHP that is pretty solidly blocked for the Guardians. Gaddis had a very small and very poor MLB debut in 2022 (7.1 IP, 18.41 ERA, 2.45 WHIP). I wouldn’t take much from this, but should at least be mentioned. Looking at his AAA & AA results we see much more encouraging results with the combined numbers of: 4.01 ERA, 3.88 FIP, 11.72 K/9, 3.04 BB/9, & a 23.7% K-BB% across 23 MiLB starts. Gaddis has a very deceptive pitching style and features a unique, screwball-like change up. He is a prime “if he can add velocity” breakout archetype. I would be inclined to think that if Cleveland and their remarkable pitching development system has not been able to do it, it is not happening. But we can’t be sure it is just that simple. 

As for what the Bucs would send back, I would be open to any of the listed options: Marcano, CSN, or Campana. All offer different things and the value of each would be dependent on what Cleveland might want to prioritize. My gut would say Campana as he would give them some true game-breaking speed in the organization, but he is still a pretty risky prospect. CSN has some interesting tools too. The raw power is undeniable, but perhaps he will never reach it. His bat has played OK in the minors & there is some definite upside that could be uncovered yet. Marcano may be of interest because he offers terrific versatility, strong hit tool, approach, & speed. 

I am not fully certain how Cleveland views Gaddis long term, but I think he is the type of prospect that fills three categories you must explore when looking for upside. He is “fringe” but with clear skills, has a positive track record at the upper minors, and does not have any clear path to a roster spot in his current organization. Do I think he will be a breakout player? I really do not know. He has upper minors performance that checks some boxes for me, but the lack of velocity may well cap his production. Do I think he would be worth checking in on for the Bucs? Yes.

JV- There’s a lot of ways the Bucs could go here. Corey has them going with a sneaky good candidate so I think I’ll get a little more aggressive.

The National League Champs have a pretty solid rotation with Austin Nola, Zach Wheeler and Ranger Suarez anchoring the group. Add that Andrew Painter could be on the way and they can spare a starter to upgrade elsewhere.

The Deal

Phillies get:

Nick Gonzales–2B–ETA:2023–FV 50 ($28M)

Nick really came on in the second half last year and the Bucs can deal from an area of depth. 

Travis Swaggerty–OF–ETA:2022– FV 45($6M)

Travis finds a new home and a fresh start. 

Pirates get:

Mick Able–SP–ETA:2024–FV 55($34M)

Mick was in the same draft class as Nick Gonzales so I imagine Cherington and his staff are pretty familiar with him. Fangraphs has a pretty good comp for Able that Pirate fans are bound to love: Gerrit Cole. His FB isn’t there yet, topping out at 97. Here’s what FG has said about the young pitcher-

“He has the prototypical starter’s frame at a broad-shouldered 6-foot-6, and the pacing and look of his delivery evoke Gerrit Cole. Abel has long thrown hard for his age, his velocity steadily climbing into its current 95-97 mph band up from the 90-94 range when he was first known to FanGraphs as a prospect.”

The likelihood the Phillies would move Abel is pretty low. But let’s have fun and roll with this, since after all they could just be eyeballing another WS run here and Nick the Stick Gonzales could be a nice upgrade at 2B.

Controlled Player: 

CS-The Yankees could use OF depth (independent of them re-upping Judge or not) and seemingly a pitching logjam. Similarly, the Pirates have a cloudy OF situation and a pretty disappointing pitching staff. So, I propose making the below swap:

Pirates get:

Clarke Schmidt – SP/RP $5.6

Yankees get:

Cal Mitchell – OF SV $11.9 (40 FV = $2)

I have listed two separate values for Cal Mitchell. One is based off of his 40 FV & the other off of his Steamer projection for 2023. Frankly, I do not know which to use in this scenario. Clearly the projection systems like Mitchell, and I think there is something to be said for that. Given the bullish Steamer projection, I am going to say his FV value is low for our purposes and call it a day here.

As for the return, Clarke Schmidt is a man without a roster spot currently. Schmidt is a former top prospect who has yet to be able to crack either the rotation or secure a full time bullpen role. Posting terrific results at AAA in 2021 & 2022 for a combined 2.79 ERA, 3.24 FIP, 11.66 K/9, 2.66 BB/9, & a 23.9 K-BB% across 71 IP. He has seen roughly the same number of innings in the majors and posted some good returns there too (3.71 ERA, 3.89 FIP, 8.83 K/9, 4.22 BB/9 in 70.1 IP). Despite his play New York simply does not seem willing to see to it that Schmidt has a locked-in role. 

Admittedly, this may be a stretch on my end. When trying to deal with teams that have an unlimited budget & strong farm system there is a lot of uncertainty on “need.” I do think Mitchell is someone that may fit for them though and, similarly, I think Schmidt is a piece that could be had. If I am the Pirates, I’d like to have him.

JV- Corey once again with a sneaky good ad puts me in the “let’s get aggressive” category. That’s okay, I am up to the challenge. 

Miami is a popular trade partner for the Bucs. For starters they have been connected to Bryan Reynolds for what seems like forever. Secondly (and more importantly), they have something the Bucs should be looking for. Some really good arms. 

The Deal

Marlins get:

David Bednar–SP–MLB–SV $23M

I promise, I am not trying to give Bednar away, nor do I think the Bucs could be looking to move him. But this just makes sense for both teams. The Marlins have been connected to Bednar in the past and the Pirates need a good starter and more than that, they need a LH starter. 

Quin Priester–SP–ETA:2024–FV 50($21M)

Another deal where Priester makes sense to deal. MIA can keep the prospect of arms deep while the Bucs add a much needed LH starter.

And to steal a page out of Corey’s book here is my “choose your adventure”.

Pick one of-

Ji-hwan Bae–OF/2B–ETA:2022– FV 45($6M)

Or

Cal Mitchel–OF–MLB SV?

Or

Jack Suwinski-OF–MLB–SV?

You’ll note I didn’t include Suwinski or Mithels SV, Streamers has a surprisingly good WAR for both of these youngsters, I’m not 100% sure I buy them at the moment. But the Marlins need OF help so any of the names listed here make sense. 

Pirates get:

Trevor Rogers–LHP–MLB–SV 36-48M

I listed a range for the SV here for a few reasons. Rogers is coming off a down year (0.8 WAR in 23 starts) so there are question marks here, Streamers has him projected at a 1.7 WAR in 23. That leaves a wide range for the LH.

If the Bucs can get the Marlins to bite on a Rogers trade I think it’s a great gamble, and safer than I’m making it out to be. The SV of Mitchel or Suwinski would be surprisingly good at those Streamer projections but it’s possible Kim Ng may want more, so I’ve included Priester to make things ‘right’. 

Roansy Contreras, Trevor Rogers, Mitch Keller and Luis Ortiz look pretty solid as far as a 1-4 goes, that’s worth giving up David Bednar and Priester. 

CS – I like this one a lot. Rogers is a player that I am very excited to follow in 23. He’s got a chance to be a very good pitcher. Great idea here.

Final Thoughts

JV- A lot to get through there, Corey. I have to admit, after seeing the Bucs off-season plan come into focus a little over the last few days, I lean to the rentals we’ve been putting together in these pieces(if they make a trade at all). Sure they appear to be spending a little bit of money but all of the current deals so far have been duct tape for 2023 type moves. The Bucs still don’t have a long term answer, at 1B or the OF(Bryan Reynolds aside) moving past 2023. Is there something in the works? Or are these the type of moves we are looking at until next off-season?

CS- Well, I hope that we will get some real answers to these questions soon, Justin. Ha. My gut reaction is that we might be looking at these moves yet again at least through the 2023 deadline. 

JV- Well, the Meetings are less than a week away and that leaves us with one more possible article. Let’s get together next Monday for a quick recap and hopefully we can address a few rumors. See you then, Corey?

CS- Let’s do it. Already looking forward to it.

The Pirates Will Add 3 or 4 More MLB Players This Off Season – Opinion

12-1-22 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

Listen, most of the time I won’t overtly write “opinion” right in the headline, but considering the team I cover and how unusual it is to have an opinion like this, I felt the need to make sure I spell it out.

The prevailing wisdom for what the Pirates would do this off season has largely been some variation of “punt”. You know you’ve heard it, and you know you’ve heard it often enough to see all the typical commenters who “love their team” but “hate the owner” use it as their calling card.

You also likely know, I haven’t agreed with said prevailing wisdom at all.

Every person I talk to internally have impressed on me that they plan to make a real run at taking a positive step this year, some as directly as to say .500. In other words, not a punt, not status quo, not tryouts, not dumpster diving, but a real effort to take what they have and add to it in an effort to experience some success at the MLB level.

This message was delivered side by side with as strong an impression that could be given they have no desire to move Bryan Reynolds or David Bednar or any other top talent you can think of currently in MLB.

Now, I have no doubt that the reports or even just conjecture that the Pirates would sit on their hands and suck again next year or at the very least rely solely on internal improvement, not additions from the outside, came from somewhere. I don’t believe anyone is in the business of making things up. Especially if there is a possibility it’ll be wrong.

The Pirates doing nothing, well, let’s just say history is on your side. If you want to make an educated guess, it makes total sense you’d lean in the direction of this team yet again sitting out most of the offseason, maybe grabbing a scrap here and there if only to ensure they can prevent a prospect or two from coming up. Make no mistake, they’ll certainly add more guys off the scrap heap and NRIs (Non-Roster Invitees) before we get to Bradenton, that’s different.

Thing is, they’ve absolutely been guilty of this. The Pirates are a team that has routinely spent very little, and tend to require insane amounts of evidence that the team is “worthy” of investing in before doing so, even to the meager level this franchise is going to reach, either through their own restrictions or MLB’s depending on what you believe. That part hardly matters, nor does it change what you’ve seen play out.

Well, I’m here to tell you, this year, 2023, this team is still not going to spend a whole lot, but it has more to do with where the payroll started than what they’ll add.

Ben Cherington said he wanted to solve first base this year, and he meant specifically this year. To do that, he brought in 2 players on one year deals. One by trade, one via free agency. They actually brought in another who they just DFA’d. This was done for a simple reason, the team wants to show MLB improvement in 2023, and didn’t feel they’d achieve that by opening the season with a rookie or couple of rookies, but also liked the prospects enough to not want to permanently block them by signing someone for 3 or 4 years.

Yes, they’ll probably trade one of them, maybe both, or maybe they’ll decide one of them is worth another season. Point is, first base in 2023 has seen the investment more than double over last season.

General managers don’t like to say things that can tie them to a direction or a number. You’ll never hear a GM, even a Yankees GM for that matter come out and tell you exactly how much payroll they want to spend. Rarely will you hear them directly tell you their needs in much more than a vague acknowledgement that they “could” look to add to a position.

This is because more than anything else, GM’s don’t want to be publicly wrong. That’s pretty human actually, probably speaks a bit to why so many would go with the easy prediction for 2023 for that matter, but I digress.

Point being, when a GM does say things that tie he or she down a bit, listen. Chances are they’ll be moving heaven and Earth to ensure they don’t get caught “lying”.

In some exclusive reporting by Alex Stumpf at DK Pittsburgh Sports a case in point was provided. Ben Cherington says “We like where we’re starting to get to in terms of the collection of young pitching we have and some guys making some gains this year, there’s a chance for some of those guys to reach another level next year, but we’d like to add to the group.”

On the pitching front, he’s also said he isn’t opposed to a multi year deal.

Again, guys like this don’t want to be wrong, but nothing here says Jacob DeGrom or bust.

This is part of where my prediction comes in and it’s really less of a prediction than simply believing what we’ve been told.

I expect 1 to 3 pitchers brought in and I expect them to be MLB quality because they will cost them players on their 40-man currently. In other words, you aren’t likely to sacrifice someone you think COULD help for someone who COULD, on the other hand, when looking for real improvement you might sacrifice someone who COULD help for someone you believe WILL. 1 starter is a no brainer and I word it the way I do simply because beyond that 1 starter I could see a signing that could do that or bullpen and one dedicated bullpen option.

Want more than evidence? Well, they currently have no left handed pitching. None. On the entire 40-man roster. Point being, I see no way they escape signing or acquiring at least 2 lefties.

These could be trades, they could be free agents, but I’m gonna be bullish here, I won’t count a potential Rule 5 pickup in my overall MLB talent brought in tally. In other words if they get one in that draft I won’t let it help me be right.

As to the other signings or acquisitions I see, nothing could be more in your face than catcher. As it stands the Pirates have two on their 40-man roster. Endy Rodriguez and Ali Sanchez, one is a waiver claim, the other a player that almost assuredly will start in AAA. We know, and they know, they need to get another. In fact, even if they completely heel turn and start Endy right out of Spring, they’ll still need to sign a qualified backup because Sanchez simply won’t cut the muster for that role, not to a rookie.

I could see them getting a lower level free agent right handed outfielder, but if they did it’d almost have to be a trade.

All told I think that adds up to about 3 or 4 MLB additions to the roster before Spring and piled on top of what they’ve already done that’s a fairly decent swing at hitting that .500/respectable region. Doesn’t mean they’ll perform. Doesn’t mean it’ll work or they’ll make all the right choices, but it does mean even to cynics like me, they will try.

Couple reasons you do this at this stage before I sign off here today.

First, we mustn’t forget, Travis Williams is technically in charge of Ben Cherington. This doesn’t mean he’s suggesting guys to sign or even how much they spend or where to spend it as much as to say 4 straight years of losing and visibly not trying to improve while waiting for kids to arrive is murder on ticket sales. It stands to reason when you get to the point you have few very defined holes in your roster, at least holes you can’t reasonably fill internally, and your payroll is miniscule, you might actually try to fill those holes in an effort to make fans believe you care, and you might feel you are now close enough to truly see what this core can do if you support them a bit.

Next, I know this to be true for one player in particular but it certainly could be more, when trying to extend guys you want to keep around, some of them want to first see you’re willing to invest around them too. In other words, are we going to be 100% dependent on what you can develop in our system or are you willing to go get what doesn’t come along so we have everything sewed up? One thing many don’t realize is that MLB players, at least players who came up in a system, tend to pay close attention to what or whom is coming. They know where the holes are in other words.

Finally, it’s time, and even while MLB tends to be very patient with teams carrying low payrolls, there comes a point when even they will start to question just how long this can go on.

Overall folks, I think payroll will stay relatively close to where it was last year, maybe a bit more, but should they have decided to just leave things go and only rely on the system or waiver claims, solid chance it actually would go down.

When you look at a roster that has Ke’Bryan Hayes, Bryan Reynolds, Oneil Cruz, Mitch Keller, Roansy Contreras, David Bednar, and a host of promising young talents it’s hard to justify not adding. It’s hard to raise up a core and then openly not support them for in some cases up to 3 or 4 years of their career.

The moves this team makes this off season aren’t going to add up to a World Series, they probably won’t even truly put them in the playoff race. They can make them competitive this year though. They can make it hard to ignore them when you’re a team in the race coming to town. They can make it less of a rarity when they sweep a team. Most nights you should be able to look at the starter and lineup and believe they aren’t locked out of this one before first pitch.

It’s time for that.

You might think this is all so YOU can buy in and I’m sure that’s part of it, but getting some of those young players and core players to buy in, folks, that’s the money shot.

Even if it doesn’t cost much in the end.

3-4 MLB players, still to be added. Sounds crazy, until you consider how crazy not doing it would be in reality.

Under-The-Radar Pirates Pitching Targets

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Carlos Santana enters the fold, and the Pittsburgh Pirates now have another professional hitter in their lineup. It looks like the next phase of the rebuild has begun with a change in roster construction methods. The focus now turns to pitching, and we have a list of under-the-radar pitchers for Ben Cherington to target next.

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Five Pirates Thoughts at Five

11-28-22 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

The Pirates actually did some things this week, and not surprisingly, yinzers are full of opinions. Some less informed than others, and that knife cuts both ways. Name recognition alone earns Santana some happy Pittsburgh fans, batting average alone loses him some, neither are enough to actually form an opinion.

Some think guys like Mason Martin who never figured out his strikeout issues in AAA should get a shot to play in MLB as if markedly better pitchers would somehow equal increased contact numbers.

Ya know, as complicated as we make some of this stuff, it just isn’t.

Lets go!

1. The Starting Pitching Scene

They have to get a starting pitcher. It’s one of the most obvious needs the team has and by having no lefties they’ve also locked themselves in a bit to a specificity that makes it harder. Ben Cherington has acknowledged this need, pledged to address it, and floated that a multi year deal might be used for this spot.

Let’s take a quick look at what’s out there via Free Agency.

Sean Manea – 30 years old – Estimated value 12 Million per season

Andrew Heaney – 31 years old – Estimated value 11-12 Million per season

Drew Smyly – 33 years old – Estimated value 14 Million per season

Matt Boyd – 31 years old – Estimated value 6-7 Million per season

Danny Duffy – 33 years old – Estimated value 8-10 Million per season

Jose Quintana – 33 year old – Estimated value 14 Million per season

Now, that’s a nice grouping, but if I’m the Pirates I don’t wait until the pickins get slim. Internally I’ve heard Manea most, and I’ve also heard Quintana estimated by the Pirates to be up to 18 Million per. Take both of those for what they’re worth but bottom line the Pirates have options here if they get in the game early. A bunch of teams will aim for what they see best and ignore the second and third tier players.

Andrew Heaney interests me quite a bit, and a two year 24 million dollar deal could probably get it done. No matter what, the Pirates have to have this position filled and if that means getting creative and moving someone to get it that way, they should without hesitation.

2. Oneil Cruz is Playing Winter Ball

Yeah, he’s still looking good.

Really look at that swing. He’s way out in front and able to slow himself down while still generating enough power and bat speed to put the ball over the fence.

That’s really the differentiator for Cruz, his margin for error is larger than most because of his ability to generate power multiple ways. He can be early and still get enough to pop it to right. He can wait too long and take it deep the other way.

The sweet spot for Cruz is just bigger, and that’s why he’s so very worth being excited about.

Enjoy him. Hope they do something uncharacteristic and keep him longer. But do enjoy what you know you’re getting.

3. Are They Signing Roberto Perez or What?

They’re in no hurry.

Before the season ended, interest was expressed from both sides, but the Pirates said they needed to be sure he was healthy first. Fully healthy.

As far as I’ve heard, that hasn’t been shown or investigated beyond rehabbing with the team late in the season.

Plenty of time yet, but the Pirates are looking at other options as well. Perez makes a bunch of sense, but I have to admit, I’d prefer they find someone who has a bit better history of staying on the field.

Even when Endy Rodriguez gets to MLB, they will need a player to fill in. I suspect they’ll want Endy to continue to play other positions on occasion if only because until I hear otherwise Henry Davis is also still in their future plans behind the plate.

Moral of the story, they need a guy, and they’ll get a guy.

I’m not going to get sweaty about one former player who expressed interest.

4. Is .500 Plausible?

First of all, that would be an almost 20-game improvement. That’s a jump, one that very few teams make.

So can you see it? Can I see it?

I’m not sure.

I’d have to walk my way through the roster and see if I like where they are better than I did at the beginning of 2022. On the pitching front, I can honestly say, I feel better about Keller, more confident about Roansy, even on Brubaker, and I like Oviedo’s chance to be decent but until they show us the complete work, it’s hard to say. The prospects close to the league give me encouragement too.

The hitters, there’s no way to really do this without “what ifs”. First base will be better, or at least more steady. A full season on Cruz is sure to help. Have to imagine some of the rookies on the doorstep come in and help.

Bullpen when healthy isn’t bad looking, but they need more.

All that to say, I don’t know. It’s a lot to ask, but if this whole thing is going to work, young players not near their apex need to keep improving. Suwinski needs to be more consistent, Reynolds needs to improve his RISP hitting, Hayes needs to stay healthy and hit for more damage.

As I sit here right now, I’ll say it’s probably a bit too big of a jump, but if they add the right pieces in the right places, it’s plausible.

In other words, if they make .500, it’ll be because they invested enough to reach it, not lucky performances.

5. Is Miguel Andujar a Lock to Make the Roster?

I’m not so sure. He’s probably a DH and a corner outfielder as this roster takes shape. I really doubt he gets first base time, and I thought that before they signed Santana. The Pirates signed him already, a one year deal worth 1.525 Million.

That’s not a ton of money, but still makes him unlikely to be cut this Spring. Still, knowing the Pirates still have more youngsters to see and more players to bring in, his opportunity doesn’t figure to be all that big.

Even thinking about how borderline Andujar is comforts me. It means the roster is getting better, and it also means good enough doesn’t equal stop trying when it comes to improving a position.

Should the Pirates sign an outfielder, man it’s going to be tough for Miguel to survive the chopping block.

Something to keep an eye on.

Understanding This Offseason – Why to Add, Where to Add, and Pirates Team Goals

11-27-22 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

I’m seeing quite a few people struggling to understand what the Pirates are doing this offseason. For one thing, it requires a bit of nuance, something sorely lacking on social media, and further, it requires a fan base who have had prospects presented to them as the second coming over and over for 3 years to understand, some of them just aren’t ready.

Let’s talk through the needs, why they’re needed, how long they’re needed and what the team is trying to come out of 2023 looking like.

The Goal

Internally, the Pirates are targeting a .500 season. I sincerely doubt this will be publicly stated, anymore than it’s publicly stated when they believe they’ll lose 100 games, but I’ve had that stated to me several times now.

Letting nature take it’s course simply isn’t going to get that done.

Filling the team with veterans could help, but doing so at some positions could ultimately set the entire thing back. Oh, the record would improve in 2023, but the Pirates would also be blocking players who simply have to be part of this long range project.

2023 is what I call a transition year, whereas 2020-2022 were time buying/discovery seasons.

I personally think it’s unnecessary to have years as bad as they put the fans through to get to this point, but that’s also largely beside the point. They’ve already done it this way, and I’m not a cry over spilled milk type.

As we go through the rest of this piece, keep that .500 goal in mind. It really does shade every decision.

Why Add?

On a normal team, in a normal market, this is quite frankly the silliest question you could ask.

Because they don’t have anyone proven at a position. That word, “proven” is important. After all, how does a player get to “proven” if they can’t play because they’re now blocked by a free agent veteran?

The answer, is slowly. Getting opportunity from injury, or performing so well they make it impossible to ignore.

Let’s take first base. They now have Carlos Santana, and Ji-man Choi in the fold. Both of these guys are older veterans, and most would say they’re on the down side of their careers. I’d agree with that for sure.

They’re also guys who’ve played first base in the majors for quite some time, and been productive.

Behind them they’ve acquired Lewin Diaz, another first baseman with some MLB experience, very good glove, tons of power potential that hasn’t made itself apparent at the big league level yet.

And you all know the prospects, Malcom Nunez, freshly acquired from the Cards, power potential, barely reached AAA. Mason Martin, long time heir apparent at first base, tons of power, tons of strikeouts, waning patience. Arron Shackelford, old for his level, never really had a special season, or a skill that has jumped out, but he looks the part.

So they signed two players they believe can help right away, to give the depth behind a chance to push their way onto the roster, and insulate themselves should they not make that happen.

You must understand that prospect development is not super predictable. A clue as to how close the Pirates feel about their prospects is what they do with Rule 5 Protections though. Last year, half of the fan base collectively lost their minds that Mason Martin was left unprotected, and even though many nerds like me were there to point to his K rate as the reason, it was still hard to handle, he does hit some bombs. This year, it was hard to find anyone even whispering his name come protection deadline time.

Nope, this year that went to the next sure fire superstar, Malcom Nunez. Nunez is interesting, has a ton of power, but also doesn’t have a real position. He has primarily played 3B in the Cardinals system, needs work at first and hit a ton of homeruns in a micro minor league ball park.

Look, disagree or not with the evaluations here, the Pirates feel these guys aren’t ready. They feel so strongly they aren’t ready, that they can’t see another team taking them for 100K in the Rule 5 Draft, and even if they do, they can’t fathom them sticking on a roster all season long.

Again, whether you disagree with them or not, by thinking they should just play prospects instead of signing these old guys, is to ask them to ignore their own estimation of these players and enter a season with them as the options.

That said, they at least think between those prospects listed, or other prospects looking for a place to fit the bat first base is also not a spot they want to plug for the long term.

We’ll find much the same when they address catcher. Endy is probably ready, and without getting into a whole Super 2 BS conversation here, even if they didn’t care about that at all, nobody wants to start a season with a rookie and a waiver claim for a tandem back there. They’ll have to add, and they do that both for the pitchers, the lineup and yes, the prospect themselves.

Rushing a kid into service at a responsible position like that with nothing to fall back on, well, it winds up looking pretty close to what we saw last year after the one vet they signed was lost almost immediately.

That’s why you add from outside, and specifically why this type of veteran. If they perform and the prospects don’t, you know you have to do much the same next year. If they perform and so do the prospects, you probably let them start to take over, and move at least one of them come deadline time. If neither perform, you probably look to find someone more permanent next year.

Where to Add

Before 2022 was even over, we knew these positions.

First base was obvious. Starting pitcher, specifically left handed and Catcher.

They could add an outfielder too, but that’s also a position where they have so many prospects who’ve at least made the league it might be smart to just let it play out.

If they don’t add a Starting pitcher they’ll have no left handed starters, and they’ll be forced to rely on players like Bryse Wilson, Zach Thompson or Luis Ortiz to fill out the rotation.

Luis in particular might appeal to many of you, I like him quite a bit myself, but he needs to work on a few things. We all saw his first 3 games where he was simply unhittable, that’s in there for sure, but we also saw his 4th game where nothing he threw over the plate got to the glove.

That’s a young player for you, and success is on the razor’s edge. Don’t quite have one pitch operating at optimal performance and boom the house of cards collapses.

He must refine his off speed options, and while I fully believe he will, MLB isn’t the place to do that. It may be by a month in, but from the jump, man that’s not a bet I’d make, especially if I actually want to hit that .500 goal.

Conclusion

In general, this part of a rebuild is often difficult for fans. You’re preached to for years that all these game changing talents are coming, and right when they’re on the doorstep the team suddenly seems to want to go get old guys instead.

You just watched them play countless kids who had just a little experience and some of them figured some things out so why stop now?

It’s really all about giving some of those success stories a chance to experience a bit of team success. It’s about greasing the skids a bit instead of handing them the keys and assuming they know what the pedals do.

When you mentally as an organization flip the switch from overt evaluation only mode to the hybrid stage 2023 will bring, you start to prioritize big league outcomes more than forcing prospects into action.

We will see a ton of young players make their debuts again in 2023, but this year, we won’t likely be feeling held hostage waiting for their arrival. If Quinn Priester makes the club in 2023, it’s going to be because he’s ready for a shot, not because they have nobody else. If Nick Gonzales makes it this year, it’s not likely going to be because Ji-hwan Bae & Rodolfo Castro both bombed out, it’ll be because he’s a number one pick who has shown he’s ready for his chance.

I’ve been telling you since 2019 the conversations were going to change at some point, and that’s what 2023 is in my mind.

I’m not saying we suddenly stop looking to the prospects, that’s silly, most of the top talent they’ve acquired isn’t even here yet, but I am saying it’s time to realize they’re in a different stage now and how their paths evolve from here is not the same as the group before them.

There are now expectations for how the big club does, not just their importance to the future.

Solve the Position: The Pirates First Base Story in 2023 Continues with Carlos Santana

11-25-22 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

News broke this evening that the Pittsburgh Pirates are in agreement with 36 year old switch hitting 1B/DH Carlos Santana. A one year deal worth 6.725 Million dollars and setting up a competition for playing time with Ji-man Choi who was acquired earlier from the Tampa Bay Rays.

Earlier in the off season, Ben Cherington candidly admitted first base was a position they simply had to “solve”. I found the word curious.

You know when you hear a guy always speak one way and then suddenly throw a word out there that doesn’t fit his normal modus operando, it perks up the old ears. Even so, I figured trading for Choi, and picking up recently DFA’d Lewin Diaz was probably where he’d stop. Apparently Cherington wanted to go all Vanilla Ice on the situation. There was a problem and yo, he wants to solve it.

Let’s start with Carlos Santana.

First, he’s a name fans will recognize, and for casual types, that’s 75% of the battle. For those of you who pay attention, you know there’s a whole lot more to the story.

He’s already had a really nice career, and make no mistake, this isn’t the Carlos Santana you remember playing for Cleveland for all those years. Here’s what he does do though, he gets on base and he hits homeruns and gives the Pirates another right handed power option, something they are absolutely devoid of.

Choi provides a superior glove for sure, and he’s much less inclined to hit homeruns, but both together could make for a formidable position.

Together an OPS that cracks .800 isn’t a crazy ask, and that’s just the on field stuff.

Off the field, this team badly needed veteran leadership. Both of these guys can provide that. Both have played on teams that reached the highest of highs and fell short. Both have played on small market ball clubs and know how to on board kids.

More importantly, they know that helping the kids can only help them and their performance. That’s not something a player who grew up in this system and never experienced it can say. It hits different when you’ve seen it and felt it.

They might leave this position as a platoon, they could let one win it outright and the other primary DH. The possibilities are quite literally abundant.

Last year, the Pirates paid Yoshi Tsutsugo 4 million dollars, and Michael Chavis 735K. You can add in VanMeter if you want too, but let’s just make it easy and round to 5 million on the position in 2022.

This year, they’ll enter the season with close to 11 million committed to two proven players. Even if both are fading, even if neither recapture the magic, together there is every reason to believe they’ll get competent play at first base, and above replacement level hitting.

I’m not saying that’s the hope, but I am saying that’s the worst case scenario, and folks, that’s what I call, solving the position. At least for this year.

That’s another part of this whole thing.

First base is in this spot because they sincerely don’t have anyone whey think will impact the position internally this year. Make it to MLB, maybe, but IMPACT, not bloody likely.

These are time buying moves. Meaning from that you should take, they don’t believe they have answers coming fast enough, but they also think they have answers coming.

Lots of options too. Nunez could progress, Martin could too. Hell maybe even Diaz makes it impossible to drop him after Spring. Maybe Henry Davis shows his bat is too valuable to sit and has to learn the position while Endy Rodriguez handles the lion’s share of duties behind the dish.

Having a spot for players like that is important too.

I look at the free agent board for first baseman and man it’s Mancini or Bell. That’s really it. Bell has Scott Boras as an agent, he’s either signing a Correa deal that allows him to escape after a season, or cashing in. His numbers have been ok, but he’s still an inconsistent and overall below average fielder.

Mancini had a down year, but he was still the best available option on the market in my mind. The question was, do you commit to a guy like that, not knowing if he’ll ever reach his pre illness self? Can the Pirates afford to swing and miss there?

Neither were going to sign a one or 2 year deal.

Overall I’m happy with the swing they took here. Santana’s numbers haven been down, but his wOBA of .322 shows a probability of a bit of a correction. Have to give them credit for convincing him they could find him enough at bats, and or it was time to take a reduced role, even at 36 not everyone wants to hear that.

All told, at first base the Pirates signed two players we can believe will open the season together there. Let’s see it as one player.

Switch hitting, capable fielding, 20-25 HR power with a track record, Acceptable OBA over .315, and a history of always being above .600 OPS. On a one year deal worth 11 million-ish bucs.

To me, I think they’ve done a good job here addressing a real problem and left themselves room to have a prospect surprise them, didn’t pin all their hopes on one guy, in fact, everything I banged my fist on the table for with the catching position last year.

Take a win when you see one Bucco Nation.

Tonight your baseball team did good. It doesn’t mean they won’t make more mistakes, or that they’ve ever done enough, but on this front, Vanilla Ice would be proud.

Two Guys Talkin’ Trades Winter meetings: The Fun Part

11-25-22 – By Justin Verno & Corey Shrader – @JV_PITT and @CoreyShrader on Twitter

Justin Venro – Okay, with the 2 “elephants in the room” (the elephants being Bryan Reynolds and David Bednar) out of the way, it’s time we got to the fun part! 

What’s the fun part? Taking a look at possible ways for Ben Cherington to add to the 2023 roster via trades.

Corey Shrader – This is the part that one could let the imagination run wild. There are slots on this roster that are easily identifiable as “needs”, and for this exercise that is good! Because, guess what, 29 other teams do too. 

JV – There really are a lot of holes the Bucs can still fill through a trade, Corey. I think the two spots that stand out as more likely to me are OF and SP.  

Today, I say let’s take a look at the OF.  OF makes sense to me because I can see GMBC adding two to the roster. Now here’s the fun part, Corey: there are different trade methods the Bucs could take here for these trades. They are, in no specific order:

 1-Rental.

 2-Controlled player.

 3-Prospect blocked by an MLB player. 

CS – I’m in agreement with you on the methods of acquisition. Outfield is a terrific place to begin. Let’s dig in, shall we?

The Rental

CS – For my rental proposal, I’m taking the Bucs to the Great Pacific Northwest. 

The Mariners have a glut of outfielders right now and their recent acquisition of Teoscar Hernandez adding further to their depth at the OF/DH position. The most attainable target, rental wise, would be old friend Jesse Winker.

Pirates get: 

Jesse Winker OF/DH – MLB – SV $4.4

Coming off of a miserable 2022 (0.4 WAR, .313 wOBA, 108 wRC+), Winker is a prime bounceback candidate. I will interject here that Winker also appeared to have some off the field issues working against him in 2022. Exactly what those were, are not clear. Given the twin factors of great positional depth & what looks like a soured relationship with the organization, Winker could be had for adequate return.

Mariners get: 

Shalin Polanco OF – CPX – SV $2

As you can see, the SV’s don’t match up here. But, for the reasons I have laid out above – I think Winker could be had for this type of return. 

Polanco was a highly touted and well paid signing for the Bucs in the 2021 J2 period. He is still a very young prospect, and will play the majority of the 2023 year as a 19 year old. I am not entirely sure that we can say he “has it” or not at this point, but he has struggled in pro ball thus far. During 2022 he posted career high .337 wOBA & 97 wRC+ in the complex league. 

Of course we cannot nor should write Polanco off yet, I would happily trade his all-projection profile for someone like Winker. Winker MIGHT not be as good as he was in 2020 or 2021. But, I would also say he IS NOT as bad as he was in 2022. At this stage, I think I would take the shot at flipping the far-off prospect for the bounceback shot on a guy who has been quite productive in very recent history. 

If the worst case is that Winker repeats last year’s performance, that would still make him the second best OF on the Pirates Major League Roster. And perhaps he does get back to his prior 140 wRC+ & .390+ wOBA? Then he might be their best or second best OF. Worth a shot, in my opinion.

JV – There is no shortage of rentals GMBC could look at here. I tend to lean to one that is still on the young side, that perhaps the Buccos could extend beyond 2023; one yinzers are likely  familiar with. So without further ado…

The team- Chicago Cubs

Ian Happ was once a rising star, and he’s young enough to extend. And let’s not kid ourselves, Corey, yinzers love the local stars. 

He’s a  free agent in 24 and with Brennan Davis on the way he’d make a tremendous trade target for GMBC. Let’s get to the SV. 

2.923 Streamers est
x9 cost of a win
26.1Total Value
10.6salary
15.5Surplus value

$15.5M is a solid SV for Ian Happ; he won’t be cheap. That said, being a rental, he won’t empty Robert Nutting’s purse full of prospects. 

Cubs get:

JT Brubaker SP/RP–MLB– SV $29M

I’ll get hell from some of the fan base here. JT is a solid #5, but I do wonder if the pen is a better fit in the long run. This is a lot to give up for a rental since JT has some control attached to him. Keep in mind the Bucs have some SP on the way and should be looking to upgrade the rotation via a FA deal or another trade. 

Pirates get:

Ian Happ OF–MLB- SV $15M

Welcome home Ian. Coming off a 3.5 WAR season where he slashed .271/.342.440  OPS .781  and a wRC+ of 120 Put that next to Bryan Reynolds in the OF and I’d be smiling ear to ear. 

Even though the surplus value here leans strong to the Cubs, I am okay leaving this deal as it is. Streamer’s projection seems a little high on JT, and both teams get something they need. The Bucs add to their OF, and the Cubs get a viable pen arm/starter with some control.  GMBC should get to work on an extension immediately after the trade is done. 

The Blocked Prospect

JV- I’m not sure we’ve seen GMBC complete a prospect for prospect deal since arriving in Pittsburgh. And though it’s been a while, I don’t recall that many from the previous regime. It’s not just the Bucs, as prospect for prospect deals are like getting a glimpse of dolphins jumping out of the water while relaxing at the beach. They happen, but you gotta stay alert or you’ll miss them. 

Here’s my twist, Corey: I’m going to use the same team for the ‘spect for ‘spect trade AND the Controlled Player trade! What d’ya know about that?

CS: I have a feeling these are going to be the most fun segments here. What do you have in mind?

JV – The team: Minnesota Twins.

The Twins have a perfect setup for both of these methods. They have a prospect that is blocked OR a few controlled OF the Buccos could take a peak at. Let’s get to it!

Twins get:

Quinn Priester–SP– ETA:2024– FV 50($21M)

I get that it’s tough to give up Preister, but this is how it works, folks. It takes top talent to get top talent. Fangraphs has 2024 as the year QP should be up, but I would look more towards 2203 for that myself.

Maikol Escotto – ETA:2024– FV 40+($4M)

This is a tough one for me. Escotto was my second favorite piece in the Jameson Taillon deal, but he really stalled out this past season and that culminated in two demotions. Here’s the thing: his A+ placement was really aggressive and at 20 there’s still plenty of time for the Twins to get him back on the right path.

Pirates get:

Austin Martin – CF – ETA:2022 – FV 50 ($28M)

Once considered the best bat in the 2020 draft, he’s had a little bit of a rough go. All in all, he’s a contact over power guy who should project nicely to the top of the lineup bat while playing a nice CF. And he should do it sometime in 2023 (ETA’s always come with a disclaimer, of course).

I get there are still question marks with Martin, but the same can be said of Priester. 

CS – You know, I didn’t plan on riding your coattails by keeping with the same team, but, I think you have inspired me to stick with the Mariners for my blocked prospect proposal too. So, before we get to the exciting conclusion of your Twins proposal, let me jump back in quickly to the Mariners.

Mariners get: Shalin Polanco – OF SV $4

Bear with me, I will explain why I am still trying to get rid of this young man & I promise it isn’t personal.

Pirates get: Cade Marlowe – OF SV $1

Cade Marlowe is ready for a shot at proving he is a Major League player. He posted a very impressive AA season,75 runs scored, 86 runs batted in, 20 homers, 18 doubles, 36 steals, .385 wOBA, & 122 wRC+. He got a less impressive 60 ABs at AAA where his K% did spike, but his production was OK in spite of that. 

I think Marlowe is ready to plug in right now. While he is not a proven asset himself, he has an undeniably good track record in his MiLB career. The Mariners even added him to their playoff roster when Jesse Winker went MIA/was seeking a second opinion on his injury. The Mariners could be enticed to deal him given that they are in a kind of 40 man crunch of their own, they just had to add Marlowe to their own 40 man out of fear that he would be picked as a plug & play OF for a team like the Bucs. Polanco is not Rule 5 eligible until December 2025, so this would help them out in more ways than one.

I’d give this a shot for sure. I think Marlowe would be a compelling addition for a team like Pittsburgh.

The Controlled Player

JV – We already know the team I’m running with, so let’s get to it. 

The Twins have a few different names that could be talked about: Max Kepler, Trevor Larnach and Bryon Buxton(and I’ve mentioned Austin Martin who is on the way) can all be names thrown around in this exercise, but none are the guy I’m proposing.

The OF I’m looking at here is Alex Kiriloff. Let’s take a look at his SV. Streamers currently has Kiriloff at a 1.4 WAR over 97 games in 23.  The Twins aren’t selling Alex at a 1.4 WAR per season price tag, as there’s simply no reason for them to. If we use these projections, his SV would be just around $50M. That just won’t do for the Twins. Let’s expand this and see what we get.

2.223 WAR Streamers est
2.424 WAR
2.625 WAR
2.626WAR
227 WAR
11.8Total WAR
x9Cost of a Win
106.2Total value
32Salary
74.2Surplus Value

Twins get:

Termarr Johnson–2B–ETA:2028– FV 55($46M)

Want five years of control for a possible power bat? You gotta pay up. Johnson is years away and the Bucs should be ready a tad sooner than that. This is one of the reasons you build this kind of system. 

Quinn Priester–SP– ETA:2024– FV 50($21M)

At this point it probably seems like I’m trying to give Priester away, and perhaps the Bucs try to sell the Twins another prospect that is further away–not out of the question. But with Burrows and Ortiz ahead of him, Quinn could be the piece the front office feels they can sacrifice to the all powerful, all knowing baseball trade gods(I feel like I should leave a shot of rum out for Jobu). Twins will likely love the idea of adding Quinn to the rotation later in the year.

Lonnie White Jr–OF– ETA:2026– FV 40+($4M)

“No way I give up LWJ”.  I get it. But, he is a few years away and the upside would be attractive to the Twins.  Corey, Joe and I have spent two years showing what Bryan Reynolds is worth and fans would want every damn penny’s worth if traded, right? Well, it goes both ways. It’s time to put it together and  start kicking some butt and that means it’s not the time to be “prospect hugging.”

Malcolm Nunez–1B/DH– ETA:2024– FV 40($2M)

Another player I think should be ready sometime this year. The DH/1B profile could be appealing to the Twins since Alex can also play 1B. The Bucs didn’t protect Nunez, so I imagine that he’d be on the table at the meetings (also means they would need to complete this trade before the rule5 draft).

Kirilloff has hit 11 HR in 104 games, the power will play. The Bucs don’t have to wait here, as he’s an MLB player and it’ll be nice to add experience for to the roster. Getting guys like that isn’t cheap, and it’s also rare for a team to trade this  much control. Let’s have fun here, Mr. Cheringon!

CS – For my controlled player move, we should take a trip to the desert, folks. That’s right, The Arizona Diamondbacks.

The Diamondbacks get:

David Bednar – CL SV $23

The Pirates get:

Jake McCarthy – OF SV $21.07

I know the last piece we suggested Bednar trades, but this one wasn’t something that came to mind until prepping for this OF piece. The Snakes have a crowded OF (Dalton Varsho, Corbin Carroll, Kyle Lewis, Alek Thomas, Jake McCarthy) & I think it could make a lot of sense for them to shop one of them for much needed help elsewhere around the diamond. And I could see them being tempted by this.

McCarthy exploded onto the scene down the stretch of the 2022 season posting a 2.3 fWAR across 354 ABs. A tremendous athlete (30.1 f/s sprint speed top 10 in all of baseball) that flashed undeniable ability despite somewhat disappointing peripherals (.298 xwOBA & middling 87.4 AVG EV). But the production is hard to deny. Adding McCarthy to the Bucs MLB OF would add an incredible athlete and very exciting bat to the order.

We covered Bednar enough that I am not going to discuss him here beyond saying it would be difficult to move him for both sentimental reasons and because he is quite good. But, I think this is a move that would help both teams fill immediate needs with long term control added in.

Putting the Stuffing in it

JV – There you have it: six different deals to wet the Turkey Day appetite.  It will be interesting to see how GMBC and his staff work this off-season, and none will be more telling than how they attack adding to the OF. It could tell us how close they really think the team is to competing. This year? 2024? Or perhaps beyond?

CS – Yes, how they approach filling obvious needs that do not have immediate and evident minor league rising talent should help inform franchise direction. I think at the very least these are pretty fun ones to discuss. Always a fun exercise and I am already looking forward to the next one where we will try to tackle starting pitcher options that might be out there for the Bucs. 

Pirates Questions From the Fam & How I’ll Answer Them

11-23-22 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

As we prepare to roast the turkey, chop the veggies, stir the casseroles and mix up the cocktails for Thanksgiving dinner, there is another thing a dude like me simply has to add to my plate.

Everyone in my family or friend group knows all about the Pirates work I do, and the questions I’ll get every year are pretty predictable. So predictable that I can actually answer them now, lol.

Let’s go through some of them, and for the sake of effect, I’m going to try as hard as possible to phrase them exactly as I’ll get them. This is every gathering, 4th of July, Birthdays, dinner just to catch up, it hardly matters.

1. Saw they traded Newman, when will they stop trading all their stars?

Stars, AKA Guys I’ve heard of.

Newman will be the topic this year, last year it was Frazier, or Joe. Regardless, my choices are simple. If it’s someone who I know just wants to bust my balls, my answer is just “never”. If it’s someone who genuinely thought trading Newman is about dumping salary (yes, they exist), I might take a swing at explaining why Newman was easily expendable. Most of the time though, my answer is that there will never be a year, no matter how good they get where someone isn’t a trade candidate.

Without extensions, Mitch Keller will be on the block as early as next off season, Brubaker too. You have to understand when explaining this stuff to people who don’t follow it as closely as you all do, that all the underlying stuff you don’t feel like you have to explain anymore, is 100% not known by whomever asked it. If you open this can of worms, prepare to not taste your turkey for a minute.

2. Gar, Why don’t you just tell people they’ll never win with Nutting?

Sigh.

For one thing, it’s sports, anything can happen. This is my favorite go to if I’m honest. Then if pushed I’ll say, even if that were true, why would anyone listen or read what I have to say if the conclusion is already written?

If you want a real answer, 2013-2015. It may be nothing more than blind squirrel finding a nut, but it happened, and 2 of those teams were good enough to make it happen if things had fallen right. Even with this crappy owner. Kinda hard for me to say it’s impossible when it literally came close to happening not a decade ago.

Bottom line, the market isn’t great for the structure of the game, and the owner makes it even harder, but it can still happen. If it was completely out of the question, I’d quit doing what I do, and probably stop watching. For instance, if MLB ever went to a soccer style relegation style where they broke into two leagues of the haves and have nots, I’m out. No shot at glory, no shot I’m watching.

3. I mean, Gar, they’ve been rebuilding since 1980

Uhh, ok.

Most of the time I just say yes. That usually let’s them have their moment of trying to get under my skin and shortens the exchange. A really froggy inquisitor will follow that after sensing my sarcasm with tell me when they weren’t rebuilding then!

I mean, it really is simple. From 80-84 they were trying to just introduce new players into a shell of few remaining champions. 85-89 full rebuild which resulted in 90-93. 94 they thought they still had enough to try and learned they didn’t. 95-2007 a rebuild was attempted a couple times, then simply signing competent players was tried, neither got them anywhere.

2008-2012, full rebuild that resulted in 2013-2015. Much like 94 they thought they had enough to make a go of 2016, and were wrong. 2017-2018, a retool was attempted, but simply wasn’t happening. 2019-Now, full rebuild.

So yes, most of the time they’ve been rebuilding. It sucks. Any other questions?

It’s like, I don’t want to just say wrong, but technically, it’s wrong. Let me eat my pie!

4. This Cruz guy reminds me of Polanco

Here’s the truth, he’s tall and Dominican, aside from that, not a whole lot of tangible things to compare.

He’s not the “baby giraffe” you saw in the outfield. He’s not a lock to be a short stop his entire career either, but my goodness, look around this league, if you can manage to have a freak like that at SS, a whole lot starts to come together.

He’s a genuine reason to be excited. Watch him play one game, you’ll see him do something you haven’t seen done.

Cruz will come up a whole lot. I went with comparing him to Polanco, but just as easily I’ll get asked when he’s getting traded.

The best answer to that is not yet. But being a Pirates fan you know the answer. He either gets extended or he’s on the block come 2027, if they’re in the race they let him walk after he runs through his team control.

Yea, I know, rinse and repeat right? Here’s the deal, you say that you help with the dishes alright?

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone! Stay safe and enjoy your loved ones, even if they try to bust your balls.

Easy Targets For The 2023 Pirates Roster

https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-erzxj-131f392

The Pirates may have a full 40-man roster, but that doesn’t mean some interesting names didn’t just get Ben Cherington’s interest as other teams announced their non-tenders. We find more an infielder who has outperformed newly dealt-away Kevin Newman in recent years. We find RP and 1B help as well. We also start to understand why catcher isn’t an announced priority as one Pirates prospect may be ready for his shot in 2023.

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