Five Pirates Thoughts at Five – Live From Boston

11-27-23 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on X

Long one tonight, so I won’t spend much time up here. The Cardinals are fleshing out their comeback story they want to write and the natives are getting restless back home. We don’t just want Cherington to go get stuff done, we want him to do it now! 3/4 of the league have done nothing or next to it, but this fan base, well, they’ve seen this act before. One by one, day by day, targets we wanted, targets local “experts” said were possible, fall off the board.

It makes you nervous they’ll just get what’s left again. I get it, and all I can say is it’s probably coming. Sorry, wish I could do better.

1. It’s Not Like they have “No” Starting Pitchers

Listen, I’m partially writing this one because someone commented on my show that I said they had Keller and nothing else and I was just like all the other talking heads…. something, something…you get it. He was right though, and it deserved clarification, because while the Pirates are indeed in a very bad spot to start 2023, overall they have a ton of quite talented pitchers right on the doorstep. Some you’ve met, some you’ll meet for the first time this year.

It’s not like we don’t mention them, it’s just, if a team claims to have it’s sights set on the playoffs, or what we should really be calling it, a duplication of last year’s jump, another 14 game improvement, you tend to do better when you insulate your team from the inconsistencies of youth.

Let me put it this way and see if it makes sense to you. If the Pirates were to sign a guy like Michael Lorenzen, I’d be happy, it fills a need with a veteran pitcher who’s seen a lot, pitched in playoff games, has been in the pen and the rotation. I’d want the team to plan on having him hold down a rotation spot to start the season, even as I sit here and openly tell you I think Priester, Ortiz, Contreras, Jones, Skenes, Solometo, Sullivan, Ascraft, all have higher ceilings.

Couple things here.

Experience matters, that’s why so many of us feel it’s vital they provide some of it for this pitching staff. Mitch Keller is a fine example, but he’s really entering the first year where he has some founded and rather lofty expectation on him, I’m not sure I want him solely responsible for being staff dad too. God forbid he himself get injured, we’d have the entire rotation looking to…er…umm..Contreras? Maybe that’s wishful thinking?

OK, so experience helps steady the ship but there’s a balance you have to walk. You can’t let it stifle those ceilings, you just can’t rely on those ceilings.

Next, we really have to open our eyes a bit when we talk pitching. I just named 9 guys who all could wind up making starts in Pittsburgh this year. I made no attempt to name all of the scraps and pieces they have lying around, I just skipped to the kids. I’m not talking about the returning from injury guys like Brubaker and Burrows either, but I could. 9, 10, 11 pitchers, go ahead, get where you want to.

Now know these important things. 2 or 3 of them will struggle and take steps back. 2 or 3 of them will get injured and not help much. 2 or 3 of them will contribute more than you think. That’s just odds. You go get veterans to even the odds. You add them to the pool because of all the ways they could fail, you’re pretty sure of the ways they won’t. Heck, some of them could very well be traded for one of those whacky veterans.

Can I make you a starting 5 out of what they have in-house? Yeah, I can tell you what I’d hope it would be, or maybe better said, who I’d want to perform and win the gigs.

Keller, Contreras, Ortiz, Priester, Falter/Jackson. If they do absolutely nothing, this is how I’d hope it shook out. This, well simply put, this would be best for business. Contreras has no options, if he looks like he did last year they might be forced to call it quits on him. Obviously, it would be much better for the Pirates if he found his mojo. Ortiz isn’t far behind, he has options, but in no way has proven he’s going to start. Damn him for his occasional 7 inning shove fests!

Priester is going to look different this year. I don’t say this because I know what he is doing right now, or whom he’s training with, or what his velo is hitting. I say this because every single year of his development he’s come to camp the next year bigger, stronger, more focused, and sharper on at the very least what he was challenged with. It’ll come down to talent with him, but he won’t suffer for effort, or any of the intangibles. Plus, it’s important to have first round picks turn out to at least be Major League players, even if your current front office didn’t select them.

The other two because why not? Falter and Jackson as a piggy back pair worked some last year, if that’s what they did in this scenario, ok. Holds back everyone else I honestly think need some time.

Again, that’s a fairy tale in which everyone is healthy, and pitches well. You know as well as I do it won’t happen. Now look at how thin the experience level gets. Name me one team that made the playoffs with 4 rookies starting 20 games each. I’ll wait.

On MLB the Show, I’d start Keller, Skenes (who’s totally ready), Brubaker (who’s totally healthy), Oviedo (again…), and Contreras who never had a fall from grace for any reason at all. In fact, on that game he’s probably you’re 2. LOL

Real life is messy. Simulations aren’t messy enough.

Fill the rotation at least partially from outside and cross your fingers.

2. Do We Want Rowdy Friends this Monday Night?

Rowdy Tellez. Daniel Vogelbach’s slightly more successful cousin. Left handed, white Cecil Fielder. He of the almost routine looking first to third on a screaming double to the gap.

Look, he was non-tendered because while he had a terrible year, largely driven by health, he was due close to 6 million in arbitration.

OK, elephant in the room, he hit 35 dingers in 2022 for Milwaukee. You can’t afford to just dismiss that, but when guys with physiques like that start having physical issues, it gets hard to trust. That said, if you’re sold on the Pirates already having first base options with Joe and Triolo, why not take a swing on a guy like this for like 5-6 mil? Best case, he hits 30-35 bombs from the left side. Worst case, you flat out DFA him if you can’t get a trade together. No worse an effort than Choi or Yoshi. Each were in that price range.

Seems maybe worth it offensively.

Defensively, hmmm, he’s better than Yoshi was but probably not as good as Michael Chavis.

Can you deal with it for 30-35 bombs? Maybe. Can you afford the liability with pitching being where it is? Maybe.

I don’t think he’s the safest bet, but he’s probably the one that offers the biggest potential profit.

You know me, if I thought it warranted no discussion I’d probably just say that.

I should also say, it’s his last year of arbitration. So if he’s good and you wanna keep him, he’s on the market. That said, at 29, he looks more poised for continuing an early descension toward retirement than he does ready to embark on his prime years.

I dunno. I won’t fight you if you want him, but I probably won’t campaign either, feel me?

Oh, one more thing. He’s cement for a run game. Wherever you put him, it’s gonna take an extra base hit unless he’s at 3rd. Again, it’s all about the homers. If you think they’re there, you deal with some of this known downside stuff. Or, you don’t. I’d also think being part of a true platoon could help him, unfortunately I think it would take enough at bats to never see him hit 30 again.

See what you do to me when you ask if the Pirates should be interested in a guy? And maybe they should?

3. Winter (meetings) is Coming

The annual winter meetings will be held December 3-6 in Nashville Tennessee. Something will happen there aside from a few baseball agents trying to convince struggling singers they might be able to help them as music agents, at least for a few days. No, actual trades, actual free agent signings will start popping off.

Part of that is tradition, execs get together and it’s easier to deal in person. Maybe you don’t think as hard before replying face to face. Part of it is also that agents have hijacked and openly hold court at these proceedings. Boras brings his own pop up branded backdrop for all his media hits live from the Winter meetings.

It’s gross. I actually had to stop for a few minutes to let my stomach settle before continuing.

I get it, they need face to face as well, I just don’t appreciate it. Maybe it’s because I don’t root for a team that will ever be spoken about by any of them unless it’s to admonish them for not offering half a billion for someone, you know, cause they don’t want to win.

That said, for those of you increasingly concerned the market isn’t rolling, look no further, during that short spread of dates, there will be something. Some news, probably even some Bucco news. I’m hoping Ben Cherington has dinner plans every night, and maybe cocktail get togethers after that, it’d be ok if he wanted to meet for waffles too, nothing wrong with that.

Sincerely, this is where some dominoes will start to fall. Even if the Buccos don’t do anything, things that start the ball rolling will happen that force action down the food chain.

4. Hall of Fame Voting

Most people will focus on the main ballot and argue about steroids and all that, have at it, I’m just going to remind everyone that my portrait of “baseball manager” that pops up in the old fashioned AI that is my brain, Jim Leyland is up for possible induction.

The Hall has changed some of their voting procedures in these “passed over” types and mainly, it’s been to add more categories. Now instead of just having one ballot for these types with everyone from ever fighting over getting in and being eternally locked out by comparisons to someone who isn’t in and played 76 years ago, they’ve broken it up into two timelines: the Classic Baseball Era (pre-1980) and the Contemporary Baseball Era (1980 -Current Eligible). Additionally, the Contemporary Baseball Era will have a separate ballot for the non players, such as managers, executives, and umpires. 

The idea is that these will cycle through one per year, and this year has fallen on the non player category.

Enter Jimmy.

I’m not qualified to make some impassioned plea for why Jim Leyland should beat out guys like Lou Pinella or Cito Gaston. I can’t tell you he deserves it more than Davey Johnson. I might have an aneurism if Joe West beats him out. Seriously.

Look all I’m saying is, he may not have won it all here, but he delivered closer than I’ve ever been treated to since. After that, all he did was win it all with the Marlins, scout for another lifetime, coach some more, scout again, all the while being seemingly the one guy everyone I know in the game respects that didn’t deliver a championship to this city.

Maybe we liked him because he looked like half the guys at the Hungarian Club on a Wednesday night sitting in the dugout blowing through a heater before going out to spit fire at an umpire, you know, like Joe West.

I had an interaction with Mr. Leyland at a Pirates Caravan event back in the day. Just a dumb 14 year old smart assed kid. You know what I mean, Dad’s idea to go to this, so you act like you’re entirely unimpressed. Too cool for the Parrot. You get it. So Leyland is signing autographs and I got one, I said some smart assed comment about Barry’s arm. Honestly can’t even remember what it was but I always thought I was hilarious. Something I’ve tried and failed to grow out of, but I digress. He barely reacted, just kinda sighed and handed me the baseball card.

I’ve gone on my way now for a while doing other stuff, getting other autographs, not even thinking about that interaction with Leyland really, didn’t even know enough to appreciate the audience you know.

30 some minutes later, I look up and Leyland is headed right for me, then he stops. Looks at me and says, as closely as I can remember anyway, if you ever once saw all those players in the locker room after a loss like that, you’d never make a comment like that again.

Why the hell I stuck in his craw that much, I’ll never know. Do those words rattle in my head every time I have a chance to talk to a player or coach today, oh yeah.

Hey, I got sidetracked, I’m halfway through life now people, give me a break, I’m gonna tell stories. Whatever, vote for Jimmy, even if he’s not the best, I just think he’s worthy, for many roles.

Depending on your age, you have your Pirates manager. Murtaugh, Tanner, Leyland, and yes, some of you probably have Hurdle. I think there are 3 on that list who should be in the hall, here’s an opportunity to address one.

5. This Pirates Lineup Has Potential

There’s a lot to learn yet. The Pirates could upgrade or fortify several positions and force some of these kids to re-earn their spot on the 26-man. I find it hard to believe there will be much of that, but the framework of this lineup has the potential to do damage in more than one way.

I have my concerns of course. I don’t look at it and say it screams playoff bound. But I also acknowledge it’s very young.

I break it down like this…

Fully Evolved Hitter
Bryan Reynolds – He is what he is. I don’t mean that in a bad way. Reynolds is one of those hitters who I think in a good lineup can to a degree become more of what you need him to be. If they need average and on base I think he can provide that, if they need homers I think he can sacrifice a bit from one side and sell out for a bit more pop. Sometimes that’s gonna look like MVP, sometimes its gonna look like an All Star by reputation, but it’s always gonna help more than it hurts.

Still Finding It
Ke’Bryan Hayes – I love what Ke’ put on tape last year. He made a really nice adjustment that allowed him to counter what the league had started to exploit. This type of pushback will happen throughout a career, so seeing him maintain through the offseason what he put into practice last year is going to tell us a lot. All we know right now is at times Ke’Bryan Hayes has a bat that can carry an offense for stretches. What we have yet to see is can he find his way to consistency year over year? Very encouraged by 2023, but 2024 could put this team in great shape offensively if he shows up swinging like he did to wrap the year.

We’ve Seen the Potential
Oneil Cruz – We, and Cruz for that matter, were robbed of a year of development. Oh…did you think I’d say playoffs? Hey, maybe that too, but for me, 2023 was the absolute perfect environment for Oneil to go through an entire season. The ups, the downs, the adjustments, the physical toil, the defensive reps, the at bats against lefties, learning what to do when the league starts pitching at your hands. All of that. And now, there’s simply no choice but to do it in 2024. Ideally, You’re returning this guy as a proven out stud this year, armed with yet another off season full of growth. The real cost of that injury is this, not a theoretical playoff berth.

Jack Suwinski – Jack has shown at the very least prodigious power. It’s effortless power when it’s on plane, and therein lies the rub with Jack. He is a learner, and he’ll adjust as he’s instructed to do so. What that created in 2023 was a half season swoon in production. The league diagnosed Jack, and it’s partially because he’s too good of a student. So practiced in the art of “his pitch” or “his zone” was Jack, pitchers identified with help from scouting departments and analytics nerds of course, that he simply wasn’t going to swing at strikes. There were zones in the strike zone that Jack had proven he wasn’t going to swing at, and his success rate when doing so is the culprit. Either way, the pitcher won so long as they didn’t make a mistake. He either K’d or dribbled out. Finally an adjustment was made at the end of the season and while he did hit the baseball hard, I believe if he sticks with this approach, he’ll be a more rounded hitter, but maybe less inclined to hit 35 homeruns. I hope that makes sense. I feel he has enough power to pile up 25-30 just by hitting, or he could “try” to hit them, pop maybe 40-45 but everything else kinda never happens. Big year for Jack.

Folks, them’s the building blocks of this lineup. Those 4 right there will have much to say about where this team goes this year. Regardless of anyone they go get, these 4 will have to have prominent roles.

These four will hit between 80 – 120 home runs if I had my guess and for perspective the team hit 159 collectively in 2023. 65 homeruns last season from Hayes, Reynolds and Jack. 1 from Oneil. Makes the prediction seem kinda doable right?

Everyone else, including Henry, Gonzales, Endy, Peggy, Bae, Triolo, you know, all the kids, when I do a list like this next year, hopefully some of them are on it. If you think you’ve seen enough of any of these guys to know what you’re getting, I’ll humbly suggest you pump the brakes, and let them show you. Good or Bad.

For now, they’re one conglomeration of potential bats. They all have something to like, they all have to fix something to make that matter or add something else.

The potential is there, the biggest question mark for a decent jump is Cruz. Hate to put that much on him, but if he takes some time to get going, which honestly would be quite understandable, they simply have no choice but to let him do it. I would have (and did) say the same exact things about Cruz before 2023 and heading into that season I thought he’d hit 25-30 dingers. Hard to subtract from that, even if I account for rust.

My Huddle with Hurdle

11-27-23 – By Michael Castrignano – @412DoublePlay on X

This past week, I had the great good fortune to get to sit down and talk with former Bucs skipper, Clint Hurdle, to talk about his baseball career – both on the field and in the clubhouse – as he overcame a number of obstacles over his nearly 40 years in the game.  

Spending 2011 through 2019 in Pittsburgh before an unceremonious exit, Clint harbors nothing but love for his time with the Pirates organization.

“You think about what happened in Pittsburgh in those three years (2013-2015)…to go to a playoff game and see a grandfather with a father with his son. The vibrant actions that took place on the North Shore downtown, it makes everyone’s job easier.” Hurdle said, reflecting fondly on his time in black and gold, “How much fun was it to go into that park from 2013 to 15? It was an incredible point in time in my baseball experience, I’ll never forget. I’ll always be thankful and grateful for it, and it was just a whole lot of fun… One of the things I said when I came back was to rebond the city with its ball team, and we did that.”

As a former first round pick and proclaimed “Phenom” on the cover of Sports Illustrated who didn’t quite live up to the hype, Hurdle knows all too well how difficult this sport can be for young players trying to live up to labels.

“It’s societal in a sense because nobody cares what the weight is for the player. They just want to throw out something that sounds cute, sounds good and grabs your attention…[b]ut you’re going to make your noise with performance,” Hurdle said, turning to Pirates phenom Paul Skenes, “Unlimited potential, truthfully, when you think about it, that’s a curse. Because, how do you reach it? You don’t!”

While he has been working as a special assistant to the Rockies organization, Clint has enjoyed his post-managing tenure. In 2020, he and his family moved full-time to Anna Maria Island, just off the coast of Bradenton, Florida where the Pirates spend their spring. 

He still has kept an open mind about returning to the clubhouse and putting on the cleats and uniform once more.

“It’s gotta fit. Everything’s gotta fit. I gotta know that the manager’s gonna manage,” Hurdle said, alluding to his recent interview with the Los Angeles Angels, “It’s always exciting when the game knocks on your door and, as my wife [Karla] would say, you feel pretty again.”

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Minor League News And Brews: Rule 5 Draft Preview

https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-fvh7e-1507352

In this week’s episode Craig breaks down the prospects that were protected by the Pirates, those that weren’t and several Rule 5 Eligible Prospects around MLB that could be of interest to the ballclub in Pittsburgh. 

Craig Toth covers the Pirates for Inside The Bucs Basement, and is a huge Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball Fan; especially when it comes to the Farm System. Listen. Subscribe. Share. We are “For Fans, By Fans & All Pirates Talk.” THE Pirates Fan Minor League Podcast found EVERYWHERE podcasts can be found and always at BucsInTheBasement.com!

This Offseason, Things Just Don’t Add Up

11-24-23 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on X

The more I think about things this offseason, the more things don’t add up.

I look at the roster and I see a team that probably has to spend a bit more than they’re comfortable spending to add what they likely need to add in order to reach the playoffs in 2024.

That said, we have multiple instances of the GM publicly saying that’s their goal. We even have prominent journalists reporting that the Pirates are “in on everybody” and “shopping in a different aisle”, or “Looking to add better pitching this year”.

As a fan, I of course want all those things to happen. I want them to be doing as much as possible to make sure they don’t waste a year in which they could have competed if only they’d done something.

On the other hand, I’m hearing from multiple sources, the team is very unlikely to purposefully crack 90 million this year. Now, that leaves them 35-40 million to spend in free agency or additions but folks, it starts spending quickly.

Even something we’ve all simply taken for granted, Andrew McCutchen will return, but how likely do you think it is they bring him back for less than the 5 million they paid last year? I mean, would you even want them to try to spend less on him? I’m saying would you tolerate it hitting the news they were trying to get Cutch to take 4 instead?

That’s one player.

Now if it’s true they are shopping for different quality pitching, well, Rich Hill was 8 million dollars. So logically, you’d have to imagine that has to be more like 12-14 right? Even if you think I’m exaggerating, take a look at what the Cardinals just paid two guys Lance Lynn (10M with an option and 1M buyout) and Kyle Gibson (12M with an option). Neither of these pitchers would excite anyone in Pittsburgh, in fact, they probably don’t excite anyone in St. Louis, but they are what they need.

See, St. Louis needed to just about entirely repopulate their rotation and quickly. They too have some promising youngsters who could matter, but this is the price of doing business.

In other words, if that’s the going rate for pitchers of that level, you know, the aisle the Pirates usually shop in, the fact is, they’ll spend more than they did on Rich Hill, but they’ll likely wind up with a Rich Hill type player. I mean Lance Lynn’s numbers last year, all I can say is I know right now if the Pirates had signed him, I’d be happy knowing if competently fills one slot, but I’m just as certain I’d have to do some work convincing some of you it wasn’t complete crap.

So I’m stuck here. It just doesn’t add up. It certainly doesn’t add up that they can do the rotation adequately and still find the quickly becoming Sasquatch the a Pirates first baseman is becoming. For sure has you not considering that outfielder you thought would be nice.

Things don’t square, that’s all I’m saying.

Entirely possible Ben Cherington has said some things to reporters that simply aren’t true. Entirely possible I’ve been told about a concern that really shouldn’t be one as it comes to payroll.

Thing is, I’ve seen one of these shows before, and it certainly wasn’t the one where they were big players on the free agent market.

This all leads me to believe one thing, the only way to possibly serve all these masters, the only way this all squares, they have to be considering trades as a major vehicle to bring in what they need.

That’s not to say they are going to go through this offseason refusing to sign any free agents, it just means if you look at the value out there, it just might be in trades.

Add into all this my sincere belief that the team is not only actively trying to extend Mitch Keller, but also Oneil Cruz. Both of those will be important should they get them done, but both of those are also going to take away more of that pool of cash I talked about in theory.

It might be fair to expect this team to spend 130 million. It might be what they can afford. Until they do it though, I for one am going to stick with what I’ve seen, heard, experienced, and all of that leads me to one expectation. They need more this year to pull this off than I personally believe they will spend.

I don’t need to argue with anyone about it. I’m not saying they can or can’t do anything, I’m just saying I don’t believe they will, and I think history is on my side.

Bottom line, expect trades, zero chance this comes together in 2024 without it.

Open Spots Remaining On The Pirates 2024 Roster

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Craig and Chris sit down to discuss the minor moves the Pirates have made, which leads to a larger discussion about the free agent market, and getting creative to acquire players for the Pirates 2024 Roster. 

Brought to you by ShopYinzz.com! Craig Toth covers the Pirates for Inside The Bucs Basement, and joins his buddy Chris at a 9-foot homemade oak bar to talk Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball. Listen. Subscribe. Share. We are “For Fans, By Fans & All Pirates Talk.” THE Pirates Fan Podcast found EVERYWHERE podcasts can be found and always at BucsInTheBasement.com!

Trading Prospects is Hard but Has to Happen

11-21-23 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on X

It’s always something right? The Pirates trade a bunch of players we like for kids and after a while we get over it, start even getting excited about some of those same kids and poof, you’re telling me we’re now going to trade THEM?

Well, yeah.

It’s not like this everywhere, you’re absolutely right if you were already yelling it. You see this too is a difference in how a team spends money. Stick with me here for a minute, I’ll make it make sense.

As teams like the Yankees and Dodgers draft, sign, acquire prospects, they also fill their rosters primarily with MLB players. Teams like this reserve rookies starters on opening day for like MLB top 10 type players. Guys that they just can’t deny are not going to be bested by even a decent veteran free agent. Oh, other guys they develop make it to the league, and because they can bank so many top prospects with no urgency to make sure they debut, many become currency before they become MLB players.

People point to the excellence of a development system like in LA and they’re right to do so, it’s brilliant, especially at identifying talent on the international market. They often leave out the part that never forces them to play an underdeveloped prospect in a starting role. Essentially, failures are never exposed, which helps them retain more perceived value which makes them even more valuable currency.

It’s an advantage all big spenders don’t really capitalize on. The Dodgers usually do, and they never trade their top guy, ever. They don’t have to do anything they don’t want to.

We, meaning the Pittsburgh Pirates, well, we do have to do things we don’t like. And the next distasteful thing is going to be saying goodbye to a prospect, or more, who’ve become more than just guys in red uniforms you see highlights of, some of these could be guys you’ve seen in black and gold.

That’s where we are now.

The team has completed the rebuild cycle. Functionally speaking anyway. They have no more veterans to move for prospects, at least not veterans who they consider part of the painting they believe is a winning team. They might sign some who become that, but right now, they don’t.

That means the team only improves from here in a couple ways. They can improve who’s here already of course, with this many kids, that should be doable. They can move prospects or even MLB talent for help where its needed more. They can sign free agents.

This again, is lots easier if I can just go charging into the owners office with a list and a price tag just knowing he sees my vision and is willing to just sign the check. We know that’s just not going to be true here. It just can’t all come from that. And as much as I’d love to just toss that all on Bob Nutting, I think there is probably more value out there in the trade market than free agency.

So that leads me to some uncomfortable realities as to whom might have to be available to make a go of this thing.

See the Pirates would do well to keep depth near the league, so they certainly don’t need to focus on only moving AA and older prospects, but where there’s value and a decent sized projection for ETA you have to think. Maybe this guy doesn’t help me by pitching here, maybe he helps me by bringing pitching here.

You’re going to lose talent in these exchanges, you just are. But if you do it right, you also brought back talent that helps a hell of a lot sooner, and if winning now is important, well than the help now is more important right?

Some times it’s driven by having a position that just didn’t flesh out. First base never came together, they’ve only really developed one steady corner outfielder, MLB starting pitching, you know where they’re short. Well, you may have to play timeline games. You may have to take a guy like Bubba Chandler who truly has ace type stuff but is years away yet, and move him as part of a deal to bring back a Dylan Cease. 2 years of right now if needed for trying to win can be more valuable than yes, even losing what could be a superstar in 3 years.

First, the obvious, one player can help now, one can’t. Second, a lot can happen in 3 years. Not to wish ill on the kid but how many prospects have we seen go down and lose a year on the way here? How many get to AA and start getting their brains beaten in?

The same reason you can’t sit back and write Bubba’s name in pen in the rotation in 2027 is exactly why you as a fan, but especially as an executive must take this type of tradeoff.

You may see a starting pitching rich team like Miami, with even more returning from the IL with big time pedigree, well they want a catcher, and if they’re willing to part ways with a young controllable starting pitcher, one of the number they have with MLB experience and success already under their belts, and they want Henry…well, picture Sam from Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer using his umbrella to hide from the Abominable Snow Monster, but that’s a deal you may have to consider.

You have to give to get.

I’m not advising these deals folks. No rumors here. Just illustrating how easily you go from the future to a stack of twenties to a team exec who doesn’t have the payroll to do it any other way.

Be prepared, because if we get through this off season without moving some prospects you recognize, well, it would shock me.

They have to do this, but they can’t afford to deplete it too much either. For this thing to have more than a year or two in it, they’re going to have to have internally developed pitching.

You’d love to count Paul Skenes as a given and for reasons of your sanity I’ll just say no, he isn’t going anywhere, no matter who gets dangled. Beyond that, they need a win or two, and ideally they emerge this year.

That doesn’t have to be a raw prospect like Jared Jones or Solometo, it could just as easily be Ortiz and Priester, but they need it. They simply don’t have enough prospects to account for it not happening, and worse, there won’t be much to move to replenish for a few years.

This is a crucial offseason. They can make a mistake right here that causes the house of cards small market teams are always trying to build, or, they can make the move that brings in this generation’s veteran pitcher who helps lead the staff.

This may not be the top of the arc as it comes to this build, but it might just be the most important offseason so far. Might just help determine how high they ever reach too.

Five Pirates Thoughts at Five – Thanksgiving Week!

11-20-23 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on X

Can you believe we’re already here? We’re already way into the offseason, the leaves have mostly all fallen, the turkey’s are mostly already in the fridge thawing out and grandmas around the country are receiving phone calls cause they’re the only ones who know that one ingredient in the dish everyone has to have to make it a holiday.

Baseball is off to a slow start in the offseason, but that won’t stop us, let’s go!

1. Is the Pilot Lit?

The hot stove as it’s come to be known, has thus far been more of an unlit gas stove. Arron Nola re-signed with Philly taking the first big name off the free agent board, but aside from that, just some light rumors of possible moves. Landing spots being predicted for some of the bigger names only 4 or 5 teams realistically could afford has become the replacement for rumors and listening in. Most of the rumors come from agents anyway, so gigantic grain of salt to begin with.

Take Ohtani for instance, there are legitimate questions as to when or if he’ll be a pitcher, but even just as a hitter he’s still going to get a big contract. I can tell you right now that means he could go to NYM, NYY, BOS, PHI, CHC, LAD, LAA, SFG, TEX, and unless he’s taking some sort of deal that pays him 20 years after he retires to play somewhere like Seattle, those are the teams regardless of need who could pay the price.

Until dominoes start to fall, that’s where some very prominent trade targets will likely head too. Whoever trades for Juan Soto for instance has to have an extension in their immediate plans, and that is a guy who will 100% get 400 million on the cheap side. Point being, if the the Pirates wanted Soto to be a Bucco in 2024, they could have him. They have the prospect capital to get it done. But it would be his first, and only season in this uniform. You know it, I know it, and so do all the rumor generators.

If you really want to know why the stove is chilly though, I think it’s because baseball currently has 2/3 of their teams in some form or fashion actively out of a TV deal or in danger of being out of one. None of them know exactly what this means for their club, their budgets or the game itself. MLB’s promise to cover 80% of previous deals wasn’t an offer that they planned to extend in perpetuity, there’s no guarantee a team like Pittsburgh gets that now if they have to go in that direction for instance.

Eventually these names will start dropping. Every time the market is slow, some idiot with a keyboard like me starts talking gloom and doom. That’s not what I’m trying to do here. I’m just throwing out a couple reasons why I don’t think rumors are flying around like hot cakes right now.

Some of this stuff needs to clear up and until then, I’m afraid it’s mostly going to be the big boys shuffling trading cards.

2. What IF? They Don’t Add

They said they want to add, this isn’t to suggest they won’t now, or any such claim, it’s simply to set a baseline and you do this in your head even if it’s not on purpose.

Every addition this team brings in will bump one of these starting point options and while it’s much easier to print up signs that say “3SP, 1B, CF!” and march around PNC, I think looking at the roster while they add is much more instructive.

Let’s go with just the starting rotation for today to illustrate the point.

If Spring training started tomorrow the Pirates starting rotation and depth sets up like this. It’s also important to note, as of right this second, we don’t yet know anything more about Johan Oviedo than he’s had elbow issues and they’ve discussed the possibility of surgery. We don’t know the path forward yet.

Starting 5: Mitch Keller

In the Hunt: Quinn Priester, Luis Ortiz, Roansy Contreras, Bailey Falter, Andre Jackson, Jackson Wolf

ETA 2024 so Maybe: Jared Jones, Paul Skenes, Braxton Ashcraft (because he’s on the 40), Sean Sullivan

Expected Returns from IL (Summer ’24): Michael Burrows, JT Brubaker

It’d Be a Stretch to Expect: Anthony Solometo

So if they do nothing, you probably are going to be realistically looking at those first two categories for your starting 5. I don’t need to choose them right now, I just need to know what I’m choosing from.

Every signing you bump things down. Let’s say they get Eduardo Rodriguez the big lefty starter. Well, that all but eliminates Bailey Falter and Jackson Wolf from the “in the hunt” category for me. I mean, I leave them in a new category if they have appropriate team control called “Depth”. Every move changes this structure. We probably drop one of our ETA 2024 candidates from likelihood too with this move, which frankly is a good thing.

Looking at it this way as opposed to just filling some numbers of players always helps me paint the picture of what this roster could look like, how it could work and whether I feel they have enough backing it to get the job done.

You come to the number they need by doing something like this in the first place, I’m just suggesting hold onto it, and move the pieces down as you add, you’ll see roster construction in a whole new light. It forces you to follow the logic train all the way through your “system” of players you think could have some claim to your 2024 roster.

Bottom line, it’s not pretty right now, and staring at the projected starting 5 alone, it’s easy to see them signing 4 guys, but think about the sincere need to eventually develop their own. Spend whatever this year by all means, but folks, this whole thing doesn’t work if they don’t come out of this batch with at least 3 or 4 internally developed starters. Cheap is one thing, but this market can’t prop up starting pitching via trade and free agency as primary drivers to reach the top of the mountain.

Pitching is late, do what you have to this year, but they must force opportunity for some of these kids to get shots, there is no “winning” in the long run without it. I say that more to prepare you for seeing a visible hole left, if not two for kids to fill. And yes, I think that might hurt the 2024 record, but it might make the 2025 and 2026 campaigns come together too. Ben Cherington’s own words are the only reason to claim this wouldn’t be the obvious play in 2024 if I’m honest.

May Mitch Keller have a happy and HEALTHY holiday season and off season. Like, bubble wrap that arm up bro. Put down that axe! Someone else can get the firewood hoss. Mitch what are you doing deep frying the turkey? Let your cousin handle it, go have a lite beer and sit next to the fireplace.

3. A 3 Dollar Scratch Off

I have to give my buddy James Littleton credit for the title on this one.

There’s a rumor percolating that the Blue Jays might be willing to move on from former All Star and Cy Young contending starter Alek Manoah.

This is super interesting. Let me start by saying this, making a deal for Manoah couldn’t be your best shot at a starter, but I am interested in this, very much so. Reminds me so much of Francisco Liriano who was undeniably great, then really not even playable, then suddenly, after a stutter start from a self inflicted wound, a Pirate where he’d of course go on to thrive again.

I described this on Social Media as a lottery ticket, just not the kind you’re used to. Meaning this isn’t some kid you get in the DSL or Single A and 5 years later find out he left in MiLB free agency. This guy is boom or bust from the beginning. And his recent history could make him really cheap from a prospect capital standpoint.

Hence, the 3 dollar scratch off.

This is a minimal risk as he doesn’t even reach arb until next year and there’s a solid chance because he was sent down for so long last year he could backdoor qualify for Super 2.

Best case, this kid has ace stuff, and he’s already done it once at the MLB level, worst case you demote him or trade him, he costs the entry level salary this year. There is a belief he had a slight shoulder injury in 2023 and some have pointed to his shape being less than ideal coming into Spring coupled with the pitch clock being difficult for him to matriculate as he had been one of the slower pitchers to deliver in 2022. I’ve confirmed this by searching since but Bob Strazza pointed this out to me on X earlier.

I can’t sit here and say this is a deal they can’t miss. I won’t tell you the deal itself would work out. I can say though, in baseball, you can afford to be cheap, you can afford to be dumb and you can afford to be risk adverse, but you can’t be all 3 and expect to win.

If you can’t spend with the big boys, you better take some risks, and if educated ones like this come along, be first in line to sniff around anyhow.

4. Why Non-Tender Bido & Stratton

Osvaldo Bido and Hunter Stratton were both non-tendered by the club.

The reporting on this subject would have you believe the club wants to re-sign both to minor league deals, essentially, removing them from the 40-man without the waiver process. They’re free agents and for a team that is already super short on starting pitching, well, it was at least curious right?

Osvaldo was better than I think most of us expected and it’s also fair to say he looked at least bullpen capable. I really think for both these players it comes down to a pretty simple reality, they need roster spots cleared and they don’t want forced into using either of them simply because they’re on the 40-man.

That’s probably not the nicest way to put it, but they’ve done this in previous seasons with well, one instance is Chase DeJong. He was DFA’d at the end of Spring, signed back with the club and a week into the season was called up for a couple months.

I would imagine both will re-sign and be given invites to Spring Training. Try as they might the roster still has some scrapple and while I don’t think either of these players are useless, I think it’s pretty clear where their ceilings are.

Makes the risk of losing them a bit less worrisome when you’re pretty sure you can reach the ceiling without a step stool.

5. The Downside

I recently began my fifth year writing about the Pirates. After starting at Sports Illustrated and transferring to this independent venture with Craig Toth, we just put our heads down and wrote/talked our way through this entire rebuild.

I started before Ben Cherington was hired, in fact, I started right before Neil Huntington was fired. My second piece was about how the team needed to make changes, and two days later, Bob Nutting pulled the trigger and honestly, shocked me a little that he did so.

I had every reason to be shocked. He spent money to fire Neil and Frank, but more to the point, I didn’t know anyone, didn’t talk to anyone, and more to the point, if that situation played out today, I can honestly tell you I’ll know a couple hours after Jason Mackey, which if you do this sort of thing, you understand means NOBODY gets stuff before Mackey.

Now, I’m still not a “journalist”, I’m a fan with a blog and a podcast. Exactly what I want to be honestly, but you can’t do this sort of thing for this long and avoid networking your way into knowing some people, or at least knowing who to ask when you don’t know something you want to know.

I’ve come to know players, I’ve come to know front office members, hell I’ve even come to know scouts and coaches and some have gone, new ones have come, and from the “intel” perspective, the net just gets wider every year. In fact, when you do it long enough, you don’t even have to go looking for information anymore, it finds you.

I can’t speak for everyone who does this, but this has been my experience and yes, as it’s going on, it’s really cool.

Nothing is worse than hearing about what they may or may not spend. I miss the fun of guessing at a blank sheet of paper. I miss the blissful ignorance of imagining the owner was entirely happy with the jump the team took last year and hungry for more improvement. Now that’s disrupted by hearing he’s not pleased entirely they exceeded the budgeted payroll figure last year. I mean…

Hearing isn’t always believing. If it was, I’d be reporting it as opposed to just lamenting the bits and fragments of information. What I can say is “some” sure seem to want to make sure a guy like me knows that spending money is still going to be an issue. And then again, I’ve watched the Pirates operate long enough to know I didn’t need intel for this assumption.

I’ll put all this aside for the most part as we keep following what happens, maybe keep it in the back of my head, maybe direct the track I take writing about a subject, it’s there but I try not to make it a fact I have to write around because it simply might not be one.

I can honestly say last season payroll was almost 20 million more than I was told to expect, so I sure am glad I didn’t go forward with what I heard last offseason. Maybe it was true when I was told it and things changed internally since, a source being wrong doesn’t always mean you’ve been lied to. And so long as you haven’t run to the masses shouting about what you know, no harm no foul, in fact, that person is just as happy you didn’t run with it. The moral of the story here is, if you do this sort of thing long enough, you’re gonna start hearing things. If you’re responsible with that, you’ll probably hear more.

I know this is a little “inside baseball” but it’s important to me. We hear things everyday, and just about as often, we choose not to use it, at least not traditionally and we do that because quite honestly, we’ve decided NEWS isn’t our role, opinion on the news is, and that is where we apply whatever we “know”. It’s becoming harder and harder to stay in that lane the longer we do this the more blurred the lines between blogger and journalist become, but to me there’s just no upside for me or this site by trying to break news or deliver raw rumors.

To be as blunt as I possibly can, I as a fan would read breaking news from a guy like me, but I wouldn’t start sharing/reacting to it until I saw it from one of the real journos and I have zero cares about being able to tweet “first”. My issue with it is, many people who do read things like that WOULD share/react to it and that is a responsibility I’m not willing to accept for a side gig. I watch these sites that try to break news without credentials and it just seems like a constant battle to be seen or credited, and man I just have no desire to play the game. There are plenty of options out there who have no such issue, and they’re welcome to it.

Basically, when something happens, we’ll have opinions, and they might be colored by knowing something, or the news itself could confirm something we’ve been told and that automatically qualifies the other bits of conversation we had and adds to our opinion piece about the event. This isn’t just a Pirates topic, but you should be careful of where you get what you consider “News” and that starts by understanding there’s a difference between journalism and blogging. Unfortunately, a distinction too many journalists have also forgotten.

Two guys Talkin’ Trades – Buying? In Trades? In this Economy? 1B Market

11-18-23 – By Justin Verno & Joe Boyd – @JV_PITT & Joe_Boyd11 on X

Justin Verno- A quick announcement before we get going: Cory is skipping this installment due to other obligations. And in next week’s installment, Joe will bow out as he also has other things to tend to.

So for this week’s piece, Joe, It’s just you and me my, dude! This is THE piece we’ve been waiting on!

Joe Boyd- Ha, yes that’s correct!  We move on from being consistent sellers to actually giving this buying thing a shot.  Today we will look at acquiring an OF/1B bat.  These will look different from previous installments, obviously.  We won’t need to set the market with a Bucco, rather we will reverse engineer a trade target’s value and put together a package from the Pirates to make it work. 

JV- Outside of starting pitching, 1B and OF are the Bucs obvious needs, but how they deploy Henry and Endy will weigh heavily in how they proceed. Joe and I aren’t here to write on where or how they need to play the guys though. 

JB – I wanted to take an approach that provided two deals from the same club.  I think that the Chicago White Sox present intriguing options for the Pirates as they appear to be rebuilding.  Let’s first look at the home run swing and then we’ll look at a more pragmatic, risk-averse option. 

Home Run Swing:

Pirates Receive:  Luis Robert – OF – MLB – SV$43.6-$70.2M

I’ve included Fangraphs projections for Robert and his remaining contract.  His SV is a wide range due to those Team Options.  If he falls off a cliff, the team can just decline those options resulting in the $40M valuation, but I imagine that CWS will push for the assumption that he has 4 years of control and won’t let Robert go for a discount.  

Robert broke out in a massive way in 2023 slashing .264/.315/.542 and hitting 38 homers while swiping 20 bags while being an incredible defender.  Health will always be a concern, but a player of this caliber (former #6 overall prospect) would be a massive boost to the club. So what does a deal like this look like? 

CWS Receive:  

Termarr Johnson – IF – ETA: 2027 – FV 55 ($46M)

Quinn Priester – SP – ETA: 2024 – FV 50 ($21M)

Bubba Chandler – SP – ETA: 2026 – FV 45+ ($6M)

This deal almost aligns perfectly from a value perspective.  It provides Chicago with both long term building blocks and a starting pitcher with plenty of control.  All of these players are high pedigree guys and considered cornerstones of the rebuild.  Do you cash in those chips for one outfielder?  If that outfielder is a bonafide star like Robert it could make some sense, for sure.  But we know GMBC, and he’s more of a risk-averse GM that may look at a buy-low candidate that could pay huge dividends.  Well, Chicago has one of those too.

The sensible approach:

Pirates receive: Eloy Jimenez – OF – MLB – SV$4-6M

Jimenez was acquired, along with three other prospects, from the Cubs in a deal for Jose Quintana in 2017.  He went on to debut in 2019 with 31 home runs at just 19 years old.  And in a shortened 2020 season, he won the Silver Slugger Award by batting .296 and hitting 14 homers in 55 games. In the three seasons since, Jimenez has dealt with some injuries that have limited his output.  However, when healthy, the 6’4 240 behemoth can still do a ton of damage with his bat.  He’s grown out of being a 5-tool prospect and is likely looking at a 1B/DH profile, but he could also plug into RF.  You are not getting Robert’s defensive profile with Jimenez, but the cost is exponentially lower.  

Fangraphs has Jimenez as a 1.9-2.2 WAR player in 2024.  He also has two club options.  So the long term risk is extremely low, but the purchase price today is also low.  So what could Pittsburgh do to get Jimenez in Black & Gold? 

CWS receive: 

Zander Mueth – SIRP – ETA: 2028 – FV 40+ ($3M)

Mitch Jebb – 2B – ETA: 2026 – FV – FV 40 ($2M)

Let’s go to Longenhagen to see what Pittsburgh is giving up.

For Meuth “His fastball and slider combination from this slot gives him a great chance to profile as a nasty reliever, at least, and given the right development, he could be an impact arm.”

For Jebb, “Defensive versatility will be important for Jebb since he is unlikely to have the power to profile as an everyday second baseman. He projects as contact/speed utilityman.”

I’m intrigued by Meuth’s profile, but with an arrival at 2028, he could miss the playoff window or he could flame out.  It’s a risk worth taking.  And Jebb is a low-ceiling prospect that the Pirates have in spades.

JV- Stars like Robert are what gets a team to the promised land. Is it giving up a lot? Sure is. But ya gotta give to get, it’s just the way it is. 

I’ll start with my reasonable trade package and my eyes are on Toronto and Vlad Geurerro Jr. I hadn’t really considered him to be a trade candidate, but I’ve seen his name get thrown out there with one person wondering if it’s time for a change, so what the heck? Let’s have fun. 

Using the same tool as Joe used above(Fangraphs)  we’d come up with a modest surplus value of about  $6M for Vlad, however using the current 4.1 STREAMERS projection paints a higher SV of $25M. If that catches you off guard you aren’t alone. This is in part to a hefty $20.4M projection for his arb 2 season. It’s likely the Bucs won’t pick that up in full, I think it’s a good bet that the Jays will pitch in a few dollars to “buy” a better player. 

Pirates get-

Vlad Guerrero Jr-1B/3B-MLB(SV $6-25M) and $10M in cash

I get that his numbers have dropped a bit, but I think he’s due for a rebound. Vlad is still just 25 so his best days could be ahead of. 

Blue Jays get-

Nick Gonzales-2B/SS-ETA:debuted-FV 40 (SV $2M)

Bae is another name I think the Bucs would consider here if the Jays prefer, but Nick kinda fits the profile with quick hands and a compact swing. Maybe they have better luck in closing the hole in his swing while solving the 2B need. 

Luis L Ortiz-P-Debuted SV?

Still in pre arb, he has a good deal of control so the SV is likely higher than you’d think.  And sure he’s a starter here, but I think it’s a real possibility a move to the bullpen is in his future. This is a solid upside for the Blue Jays as he still has the upside of a rotation arm.

Thomas Harrington-SP- ETA:2026- FV 45($4M)

Giving up Harrington is tough, especially since I think he gets a bump to a 45+. His velo is a bit higher than I expected. His K rate is higher than I expected. With the Buccos being so deep in arms, I think this is an area they can deal from.

I get this deal isn’t sexy for a guy that hit 26 HR last year, but his arb projections limit the surplus value. In reality I can see the Jays seeking a lotto ticket as well(if they are to listen). And I’d be open to that, depending on the ticket. Hudson Head? Sure. Lonnie White Jr? Probably not so much.

Home run swing-

It is rare that we use the same team for a deal, Joe. But if the Chicago White Sox do in fact rebuild and decide to go deep into a “tank,” they have enough desirable players that the turnaround could actually be short, relatively speaking. 

Stay with me here as I’m looking at pairing it up!

Pirates get-

Andrew Vaughn-1B/OF- MLB-(SV $30-35M)

Three years of control left and the power hitting 1B has a surprisingly low projection of 1.8 WAR. But there’s some things to like here. He’s 25. Has power. And perhaps most importantly? Can play RF/LF and 1B, this specifically fits what the Bucs should be looking for considering the Endy/Henry situation.

Dylan Cease-SP-MLB-(SV $24-30M)

His age 27 season had him at 3.7 WAR. His K rate was still a strong 27.3% and his velo looked fine. Pirates need pitching, so adding Cease to the mix would be huge. With two years of control left, the Bucs would be wise to lock him up fast; we all know they can afford the contract. The time to be cheap is over, Mr. Nutting. All I’m asking here is to be a little less cheap. Let’s call it “frugal,” as Dylan Cease is a pretty safe bet.

CWS get-

Termarr Johnson-2B-ET:2027-FV 55($34M)

Many of you will have TJ at the top of the Bucs prospect list and have likely already stopped reading because of this. Look, I get it. But if you want to add a Dylan Cease and a power bat that can play 1B and OF? (again,a need catered to the Endy and Davis situation?) This is how you get it. 

Anthony Solometo OR Bubba Chandler- SP-ETA:2026 FV 50?($21M)

The Bucs have done well in adding big upside arms to the system and moving one of the 2021 draft arms seems like it could be inevitable.  LHP is so hard to find. But Bubba has one of the best power arms in the minors. While FG has neither as a 50 FV both are on at least one list as a 50 FV. It also wouldn’t surprise me if FG gives them the bump.   Pick your poison. 

Quinn Priester-SP-Debuted-FV 50($21M)

Moving QP here just makes too much sense. It gives the White Sox an immediate guy to throw into the rotation. It’s clear the Bucs need starters and moving Quinn may not be the best looking plan. But if the CWS would like him in a deal for Cease I’m making the swap faster than you can say Buctober!

If the CWS doesn’t value Bubba or Solometo this high it certainly throws a monkey wrench in my package. But I don’t imagine it takes a whole lot more to get something done.

Conclusion – 

JB – It’s finally exciting times in Pittsburgh.  You see other ne’er do wells like Arizona and Baltimore and Texas in the playoffs and it’s time to see the Buccos turn that corner.  If they can stay healthy and add to this core that will get back Oneil Cruz and add in pieces like Paul Skenes, you could see a Wildcard team in 2024.  Is GMBC willing to mortgage some of those controllable assets and get a marquee name such as Robert?  If so, perhaps the club could do some damage in the playoffs.  More likely, he’ll go for a lottery ticket like Jimenez that could provide much needed power in that lineup while sacrificing some defensive ability.  If Jimenez can stay healthy, that’s an impactful bat you can plug into the lineup for such a little cost that it just makes so much sense to explore. 

JV- A deep team gets you into a playoff run, but more often than not it’s the stars who help finish the job.  Joe and I have shown examples of some big time names and we’ve shown some solid but smaller upgrades. The dream here is obviously adding a Luis Rober Jr type.  But if the Bucs do go with the more reasonable approach, that’s fine too. Either way, Bob Nutting has a ton of talented and controlled players up and down his roster. He has room to add some players who cash some bigger checks come pay day. 

It’s time to add a Luis Robert Jr or a Dylan Cease. It’s time to sell some tickets. It’s time for a playoff run. It’s time to take me out to the ballgame, Bob!

Minor League News and Brews: Bradenton Marauders 2023 Season Recap

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In this episode Craig sits down to talk everything Bradenton Marauders; including the top hitters and pitchers from the 2023 Season. 

Craig Toth covers the Pirates for Inside The Bucs Basement, and is a huge Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball Fan; especially when it comes to the Farm System. Listen. Subscribe. Share. We are “For Fans, By Fans & All Pirates Talk.” THE Pirates Fan Minor League Podcast found EVERYWHERE podcasts can be found and always at BucsInTheBasement.com!

Trying To Connect The Pirates Dots

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Craig goes solo on this week’s episode, as Chris hits the IL, to talk about the Johan Oviedo Injury News, Ben Cherington’s Plan to “Attack” The Off-Season and the upcoming decisions the Pirates have to make concerning the Rule 5 Draft and Player Arbitrations Tenders. 

Brought to you by ShopYinzz.com! Craig Toth covers the Pirates for Inside The Bucs Basement, and joins his buddy Chris at a 9-foot homemade oak bar to talk Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball. Listen. Subscribe. Share. We are “For Fans, By Fans & All Pirates Talk.” THE Pirates Fan Podcast found EVERYWHERE podcasts can be found and always at BucsInTheBasement.com!