Five Pirates Thoughts at Five – The Basement Might Be Decided This Week

8-21-23 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

Here we are, just about 6 weeks from the end of the 2023 campaign. There are 38 games remaining and to finish with a better record than last year they’d have to go 6-32, and since last year they finished 62-100, it of course also means they need those 6 wins to avoid a 100 loss season.

Many people when this is all said and done will point to how much better the record could have been if they had Oneil Cruz, but for me it’s really more of a missed opportunity. The Cruz injury hurt, but the JT Brubaker and Vince Velasquez injuries hurt worse.

Nobody was going to replace Cruz’ production, but at least they had a ton of qualified prospects to try to do so, on the mound, not so much.

This week the Pirates and Cardinals will square off, and this series will play a large role in which team finishes last in the NL Central.

1. Umpires Screwing Pirates?

Oh, they are. Make no mistake. And before you go off on me and claim I’m blaming all their struggles on Umpires, well, read the whole damn thing guys, more than one thing can be true at the same time.

The Pirates rank first in all of baseball for Umpires making incorrect calls that FAVOR them. They also rank 2nd in all of baseball for Umpires making incorrect calls that HURT them.

What!?!

Here’s the thing, just about all year long, you, me, pundits all over the place, radio hosts, podcast hosts, even some coaches and players have talked about the Pirates hitters lacking aggressiveness and folks, that’s really what these numbers tell me.

Yes, umpires should be right, but if you leave every decision up to them as regularly as the Pirates do, you’re likely to be hurt and helped just about as much as anything. The sad, sad part is, they don’t often enough attempt to help themselves. And make no mistake, that could lead to more K’s swinging as well as more balls in play resulting in outs but there is simply no way you rank at the top for both of those ends of the spectrum unless you are time and again putting the power in the hands of the blue.

There’s a fine line between chasing and protecting the plate, for most teams that is, the Pirates are much more apt to just sit there and watch life happen.

One day when there are robo umps and every ball and strike is precision accurate, a guy like Bryan Reynolds might hit .350 and walk 120 times. His eye is that good. But that’s not the world we’re living in, not yet.

Worse than that, some of these guys look petrified to chase anything, like ever. Hear me out here because I know that sounds dumb. When a good offense has a runner at 3rd with 1 out, they realize that the opposing pitcher probably wouldn’t mind walking you. They also realize that putting wood on ball probably means a run. They certainly realize that they have the ability to achieve that contact when someone is trying to get cute and hunt the edges.

They hunt the RBI. They hunt the production.

The Pirates almost always hunt the walk. Which sets up the double play. Which leads to Houdini escape after Houdini escape.

Look, there are times when the pitcher straight up isn’t going to give you anything you can do something with, but far too often the Pirates willingly stand there and take borderline until such a point as the pitcher can chase a K as opposed to just give up the walk.

Luck is a thing in baseball, but to a degree, you make your own luck too.

2. What to Do with Jack

There’s a reason that there are two stark opinions in the fan base on Jack Suwinski. He either sucks out loud or he’s one of the biggest power hitters in the National League on the cusp of really breaking out.

Well, everything in point number one could have been about Jack Suwinski because he’s by far the starkest example.

First, take a look at where Jack gets the best results in the zone. Exit velocity doesn’t directly translate to average or success, but it sure does show where he gets wood on the baseball.

Pretty much as you’d expect right? His best batting average zones look like this.

So that crazy high exit velocity up off the plate outside isn’t translating, but it does have potential if he starts actively trying to hit it more often. Especially in those RBI opportunities I was speaking to up there in point 1.

Now all that’s great, but where is he being pitched?

You’ve seen this. Down and away, down and in both off the plate, Jack is very unlikely to swing, but that up and outside quadrant, he gets pitched there, and he should look to attack it more. He makes really good contact up there, and it has the potential to change his trajectory at the plate.

He’s walked a ton simply because pitchers don’t want to pitch to him, he’s dangerous. But he needs to show them he’s dangerous just being around the zone too. That kind of an approach could lead to more in zone mistakes.

Problem number one though, Derek Shelton mentioned himself, Jack simply needs to be more aggressive protecting the zone up there. Because if he doesn’t he’s always going to have an acceptable OBA, maybe even OPS, but he’ll never truly be a counted on middle of the order bat without it.

Jack simply has to stop allowing the umpires to determine his fate.

Look, this stuff is publicly available, I’m not breaking new ground here, and understanding what’s being done to you isn’t a switch you flip that suddenly has you conquer it. This data is available from a full season of at bats, which is why, as frustrating as it is, you have to force your way through and make sure you see it. Now he either improves on it and pushes back on the league or this is what he is.

It’s clear though, the Pirates thought Jack was chasing too much last year, they had him work on it over the the offseason and he improved, in fact, became one of the very best in the league at Whiff Rate % (chasing outside the zone), now it’s time to help him understand not all chase is created equally, and sometimes a walk shouldn’t be the goal.

3. This Bullpen Game Stuff is Making Life Harder

The Pirates have 2 real starting pitchers who likely will be in the rotation mix next season on the roster right now. Mitch Keller and Johan Oviedo. Johan has never in his career exceeded 146.2 innings in a season. He’s at 140.1 as we speak.

To make this even worse, the team plans to give Keller and Oviedo extra rest a couple times through the rest of the season. Bailey Falter is there too, but it’s too early to understand where he is. We’ve seen good and bad, but at least he is an honest to god starter.

Now toss in that they’re using Osvaldo Bido with an opener, Andre Jackson who has promise and whatever crumbs aren’t dead from those two efforts to get through the next one.

The way they’ve approached it, is to yoyo a few relievers back and forth, play IL games and try to manifest a fresh bullpen even while completely abusing them.

It’s not good for now, and it’s not good for the future. How can you define roles for guys when in reality you’re just getting by? It’s like tossing a grenade in a lake and calling it fishing.

Here’s what I’d do.

First, I’d recall Luis Ortiz, he’s not perfect, but he is a starter and he’s already on the 40-man. Roansy is not improving his fastball but he too should be recalled or shut down all together if nothing is really getting better. Jackson Wolf is another option.

Jared Jones is probably ready to get a look, but the trick with him is he doesn’t have to be protected on the 40-man this year, Braxton Ashcraft who is currently in AA does and I think they should. Wouldn’t be the worst idea to give him a crack.

Point is, you can’t just keep doing this to the pitching staff, it’s both unprofessional and unproductive.

It’s also a repeat of the past 2 seasons. At some point if you want to sell tickets to baseball games from August 1st on, maybe have at least 4 starters? Maybe? I mean if the immediate future is so bright, shouldn’t there be 5 guys who can at least pretend to be MLB starters? Hell, we just got one for Rodolfo Castro, hard to believe we aren’t sitting on a couple like that.

If you want to be treated like an MLB franchise, at some point, start acting like one. This isn’t helping make any decisions for 2024.

I’ll end this bitch fest with this, if right now on August 21st you’re telling me we don’t have 5 starters we at least want to see pitch, don’t you dare come to Spring without at least 2 professional MLB level Starting pitchers signed. Not Non roster invites, real signings you expect to carry weight, and this time, make sure one isn’t just deadline fodder.

4. First Base & a Glut of Interesting Bats

We’ve seen what a poor defender at first base can do to a team’s defense, so I hardly want to minimize the importance of the position defensively.

That said, here’s where we are, free agent (of which there aren’t many worth worrying about) and rumors that a reunion with Carlos Santana is very realistic at age 3. I’d be fine with this, so long as they have a real plan in place for succession and they’ve addressed the Starting Rotation.

Now, on that plan for succession, here are some ideas, because even right now the Pirates have more bats than spots.

First, Malcom Nunez could probably work his way into it next year, but reality dictates he’ll again not be protected in the Rule 5 draft, so that probably tells you where he is.

Mason Martin hasn’t managed to move beyond AA this year.

Nick Gonzales is a man with no place to play potentially. Think about it for a minute, Bae, Peguero, Triolo, Williams, all right there, followed quickly by Dariel Lopez, Tsung-Che Cheng and even Andres Alvarez has shown some really good things. Oh, there’s this Termarr guy too. His bat might play, and it might just play with some pop. What about giving him a first baseman’s mitt?

I mention him specifically because none of the others I named really have the power profile I’m looking for over there.

The next idea I have might be nuts, but Jack Suwinski. In fact if he is a platoon player, maybe Nick is too, that might be perfect. Jack is ok in the outfield, but the arm is less than you’d like. Interesting to see what they do here.

One thing I don’t think we’ll see though, Henry Davis there. Zero team interest on this front, for much of the same reason they won’t consider Cruz.

Point of all of this, if you can fill this internally, great. One less thing you have to go pay for. Potentially one less player you waste or move because you’re going to waste them.

I suggest Jack because I really want to see more Bae out there and as it increasingly looks like he could be a platoon player, why not try to make him half an answer at a position of need?

This all might be crap, but this team needs to think outside the box and can’t afford to just toss talent aside or have it languish because of position.

5. What’s the Disconnect from AAA to MLB?

Let me start here, the major league coaching staff isn’t well equipped to onboard this many kids at one time. If I hadn’t watched it happen for the past couple years too, I might be able to be convinced that this is the real issue here.

All of the things the prospects do at the lower levels, all of them from FCL on up, get their hitting plans from Andy Haines, and pitching plans from Oscar Marin.

They aren’t individually adjusting mechanics for all of them of course, but the over all philosophies, the overriding ethos, yup, those two lay it out. John Baker oversees the implementation from there.

Now, here’s the thing, and let’s start with the hitting. What Andy Haines wants, is absolutely being taught, practiced and executed at the minor league level. All of it. The patience, the walks, the waiting for “your pitch, in your zone” every bit of it is Haines doctrine, and every bit of it is done.

Thing is, Haines system works great down there, with pitchers who can’t paint corners 90% of the time, guys who will make mistakes, opponents who don’t have detailed reports and heat maps.

So when you look at what’s really happening, it’s taking a real issue like MLB pitching is better than AAA pitching, and multiplying it by teaching guys to lean on a skill set that won’t help them when they get where they’re going. Then once they do struggle, the only answer is more of the same.

On the pitching side, it’s less so an issue believe it or not. Again, all the same stuff is preached. Fill the zone, trust your stuff, play off the fastball and if you don’t have a sublime 4seam fastball, OK we’ll get you throwing the 2seam.

Again, that works fine for many on the way here, but once they arrive, many are punched in the face with reality. That cute little cutter you threw for outs for 2 straight years, yeah, that’s cannon fodder up here. That slider you finish middle down, will finish in the right field bleachers.

Essentially, they’re training guys to be really good AAA players, but they aren’t preparing them adequately for the realization some of that isn’t going to work as well up here.

I’m running out of ways to say this coaching staff needs to experience turnover this off season, and they must develop a better on boarding concept.

Guys should arrive here very familiar with what an MLB scouting report looks like. They should come up here understanding at the very least the things they’ll be asked to do, what constitutes success, and I base this last one on real conversations with players who’ve been sent back down, they need to start telling these guys what exactly they want them to improve on that is a direct answer to becoming an MLB player.

I’m not kidding when I tell you many of them are simply left with “just keep getting better” only to go back down and dominate a level they’ve already mastered. (see Nick Gonzales since his demotion)

Now, I’m not saying there are no specifics, but many of them are about getting back in line with what the overriding philosophy wants, not what makes the individual player in particular become what’s necessary to break through and stick.

Biggest issue is, they honestly believe those philosophies ARE what’s best to break through and stick.

At some point this organization needs to come to a realization. Either you suck out loud at identifying talent, or you suck out loud at getting AAA talent to thrive in MLB. Either one will lead to a firing, pick one. I know which one I lean to because this many national baseball scouts aren’t wrong often enough to believe option A.

Keuchel Silences Bucs Bats As Twins Win 2-0 (55-69)

8/20/23- By Michael Castrignano – @412DoublePlay on Twitter

Bats quiet on both sides early on as Ryan Borucki pitched 2 perfect innings for the Bucs in an opener role for Osvaldo Bido. History almost made for the second game in a row as both teams vying to win the rubber-match.

Twins got on the board in the 4th inning after a hard single by Donovan Solano glanced off the glove of Alika Williams. Carlos Correa followed with a bloop single that fell in no-man’s land in shallow right field, allowing Solano to advance to third. Edouard Julien hit a 1-out deep fly ball that Bryan Reynolds was just able to track down but easily deep enough for Solano to score the first run of the game. They added on in the 6th with a leadoff double by Solano and a 2-out double by Julien to give the Twins a 2-0 lead.

Dallas Keuchel followed Sonny Gray’s 5.1 perfect innings of work yesterday with 6.1 of his own before Reynolds stroked a 3-1 sinker off the wall in right field for a double. Biased opinion but he got a number of calls from home plate umpire, Laz Diaz.

Following Borucki’s clean 2 innings of work, Bido had a serviceable outing with 3.1 innings of work, allowing the two aforementioned runs but striking out 6. Jose Hernandez relieved him, notching two outs, one via the strikeout. Dauri Moreta, fresh from his IL stint, came on for the 7th inning and struck out the side. Colin Selby took the 8th inning and followed suit with 3 Ks of his own.

Minnesota, however, was dominant in relief as Griffin Jax, Caleb Thielbar and Jhoan Duran combined for 2.2 innings of 1 hit, 1 walk and 4 strikeouts to win the series.

 News & Notes

  • Minnesota’s pitching may have been sharp but the bats had some holes in them, striking out a combined 16 times today – 42 total in the weekend series for the free-swinging Twins.
  • Bryan Reynolds managed the only two hits for the Pirates, following his Perfect Game-breaking double with a 9th inning single off Duran.
  • Andrew McCutchen saw his 20-game on-base streak end with an 0-4 performance today.
  • Heading back home to Pittsburgh as the Pirates face division foes, St. Louis Cardinals at 7:05PM with lefty Drew Rom set to make his MLB debut for the Cardinals and a to-be-determined starter for the Buccos. Let’s Go Bucs!

With Henry Davis, The Pirates Must not Waste This Offseason

8-19-23 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

The rest of 2023 is important too of course, but let’s be real, it’s not worth anything if they don’t learn from it, identify what they need to improve, and ultimately, do so.

When you watch a young player like Henry Davis come up and experience both the heights of looking every bit the part of 1:1 savior followed quickly by either the latest guy to be “ruined” or if you’re fair, the latest to have the league push back and try to purge yet another youngster from the ranks.

That’s what this is with Henry.

It’s easy to blame Andy Haines for everything that happens with the hitters, hell, you’ve all seen me do it plenty this year, but that’s not all that’s happening with Davis folks and to simplify it to that, is to ignore both the realities of how very much Davis is trying to learn at the highest level of the sport, and how much hands on instruction Haines actually does.

Don’t get me wrong here, Haines isn’t helping him either, I’m simply claiming what you’re seeing with Henry, has more to do with a youngster getting punched in the mouth, his weaknesses being exposed and exploited, along with far too many things for a kid to try to focus on at this level to actually be good at any of them.

Even that isn’t entirely because the Pirates did anything in particular wrong with him. They caught him in the minors because they have genuine belief that he can do it. They didn’t prepare him with enough reps in right field to ensure he’d be serviceable because quite honestly once they realized the bat was leaving them no choice, the move to the outfield was seen as a much more plausible path to get him in the lineup during 2023.

It was reactionary, but the alternative was to bench Andrew McCutchen and hit Henry as the new everyday DH. This is an athletic kid, with the potential to probably hold down whatever they decide to do with him, but one doesn’t just go from not playing anywhere in which you are actually facing a batter to now reading the ball off the bat, playing angles, understanding coverage responsibilities for backups and where to throw in all situations.

The way it’s going right now, you have to start wondering if this is best for Henry.

When they called him up, I honestly don’t think he gave them much choice. The bat was so explosive, still is when he makes contact, but that has now turned into a situation where what he did can’t work because he’s too busy trying to defend against what MLB has finally figured out as the best way to get him out.

I mean, look where he’s being pitched.

This is not what was done in the minors. Wasn’t really what he faced when he first came to MLB. This is the pattern the league has settled into to get Henry out at this level. His first problem was up and in fastballs, it led him to countless hit by pitches and eventually a ton of super hard contact as he learned to turn on it.

Guess what you have trouble with once you start realizing you have to protect the down and away all the time.

Now take a look at what Henry does with mistakes. Meaning when a pitcher tries like hell to hit that outside corner down and they miss, well, Hank feeds.

Point is, Henry is adjusting, and when he does ultimately find a way to overcome this, the league will again start focusing on another path. For instance, check out that down and in portion of the zone, especially in off the plate.

Here’s another issue. He is reaching those outer half pitches and putting up really solid exit velocities.

That’s fine, so long as you don’t do this with it when you do.

Exit velocity, almost entirely derived from going outside, rolling over and grounding or lining out to the left side of the infield.

To beat them, he’ll have to learn to hit those pitches to the right side more often.

This is a dance, one that almost all promising youngsters face, honestly, one that most youngsters have at least started to deal with in the minors.

Every year we cry for these kids to just come up and we act like the minors don’t matter. We act like they don’t need to face adversity down there, we suppose that if they’re hitting .355 in AAA, of course it will translate to MLB exactly the same way.

It rarely does.

Then we call them busts, or ruined prospects. We start proposing trades for them and dire predictions for their ultimate failure to produce find them on the outside looking in for every projection of the future team follow quickly.

Nick Gonzales just came up to MLB and did exactly what he has done. Hit the ball hard, then went cold and struck out. Now he’s back in AAA pounding the ball, making adjustments and eventually he’ll be brought back and given a chance to show those adjustments have stuck.

That’s how this works.

Now, the Pirates, loaded to the gills with kids, must understand they don’t have what this many children, in need of maintenance and guidance through this adjustment period, can’t just be left to one guy who hasn’t even experienced much success helping veterans, let alone kids.

It’s too much to expect of all the kids, it’s too much to expect of a good hitting coach, you know, supposing they had one.

They need a team of hitting mechanics, and they need to abandon their stubborn need to turn everyone into the same type of hitter. This philosophy can make average to below average players better, but at the same time is stunts or at least slows the growth of players with higher ceilings.

They’ve done well to amass all these talented players, but if they don’t recognize their trouble transitioning them to MLB players and make changes, they’re going to piss away years that should be productive and probably give up on some guys who they will ultimately regret losing.

Henry will be fine, he’s too talented not to, but to make Henry the best he can be, this team must do what they ask all these kids to do.

Grow.

Minor League News and Brews-Pitching Is Key

https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-7j4k7-148499b

Craig talks about Quinn Priester’s Journey from promising top prospect to Major League Demotion, Jared Jones possibly hitting a wall, the actuality of Paul Skenes being a two-way player and rebuilds that were stalled due to pitching concerns. 

Craig Toth covers the Pirates for Inside The Bucs Basement, and is a huge Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball Fan; especially when it comes to the Farm System. Listen. Subscribe. Share. We are “For Fans, By Fans & All Pirates Talk.” THE Pirates Fan Minor League Podcast found EVERYWHERE podcasts can be found and always at BucsInTheBasement.com!

Hump Day Pirates Q&A

8-16-23 – By Gary Morgan – @garymo2007 on Twitter

I’m more and more impressed every week with the quality and thoughtfulness of the questions you all pose. First, I take it as a huge compliment you think I’m the right person to tackle some of them, and second, I can’t tell you how many times I read through the submissions and haven’t even considered something that sends me into a whole new direction of thinking.

Thank you all, and here we go!

Question 1

What is your opinion on the bullpen games this year? It has worked out well at times. Good way to see what new guys have. Do any other teams do this? – Wilbert Matthews

I mean, let me start here Wilbert, I don’t believe the club necessarily wants to be forced into bullpen games, especially not Derek Shelton. He’s been visibly and audibly frustrated with how beaten to hell his bullpen has been, and was last year too. So, even if it works out and they win a game here and there going all pen, it certainly has measurable and functional detriment too. Yes, other teams do it, regularly. Tampa you could argue runs their entire season like that for instance. The second half of Pirates seasons have been this way because two straight years Cherington has dealt a veteran starter with no real safety net in the minors, and I doubt they expected both Ortiz and Contreras to struggle like this.

Question 2

Could they end up trading Termarr Johnson because of Peggy or is Johnson far enough away from arrival on the Pirates? – Frank Rao

Frank, they could wind up trading Peggy, Johnson, Gonzales, Williams, whomever really. This team right this second has Cruz, Hayes, Reynolds, Henry, Endy and maybe, maybe, Jack as guys who you can claim have for sure locked themselves in for a roster spot in 2024. Peggy has done very well, I’d probably even add him to that little list, but knowing who they’ll deal especially when most of them remain largely unknowns as we sit here is impossible.

They need pitching, and I can’t tell you any of these guys are more valuable than that might be in the greater scheme of things.

That said, Johnson would only be used in a really big move, you’re talking a starter with maybe 3 years left to have him included in any deal.

Question 3

General thoughts on Paul Skenes brief outings in FCL and in Bradenton? – John JGor492 on Twitter

If he were anything less than a hot knife through butter in the FCL and Bradenton, I might actually worry. OK, nothing that happens in 2 innings could really make me do that.

He looks confident in his stuff (why wouldn’t he?), the stuff is very real, both the fastball and slider in particular are plus plus pitches right now. Changeup plays, but I’m not sure we’ll know how well until he faces some guys used to seeing an advanced version.

There’s a lot of Gerrit Cole in him.

The thing I noticed most though and somehow completely didn’t in his college outings, he moves from the left and right of the rubber, and I mean all the way left or right depending on if he’s facing a lefty or righty. I’m not saying that’s a problem, but when I notice things like that, my first question is often ok, how will MLB players exploit that?

All in all, positive vibes.

Question 4

Jack Brannigan is he a guy or just a guy? If he’s a guy where can you see him playing? – Adam Yarkovsky

I can’t remember many players who weren’t high first rounders that I was ready to make such a claim about at the high A level.

That said, defensively, he’s not all that far behind Hayes and Triolo at 3rd base and unlike the other two (despite Hayes recent performance) the power seems real, and his frame says he has room to add even more.

Is he a guy or a GUY? Honestly can’t say yet, but I ultimately think he has shown more than to assume he is just going to stall.

Question 5

Outside of diehards, most Pirates [fans] are largely done paying attention for the year. With that said: what is the argument you would make to that crowd for the Pirates future looking bright (next year) that can stop short of “every player needs to get noticeably better”? – Sully

Well Sully, I won’t get into the first part, I can’t fairly evaluate what I’m watching if I allow bitterness to cloud what I’m watching, and I never consider it my charter to convince anyone to watch or care, or whatever you’re getting at.

Since you asked though, my biggest selling point is, I think there might be 2 or 3 players on this team who have reached their ceiling. Bednar for sure, Hayes maybe, Reynolds maybe. That doesn’t mean everyone else is automatically going to keep going in the right direction, but it does mean for the most part there is a ton of room before they approach it.

A full offseason for guys like Endy, Peggy, Henry, Jack, Triolo, Bae, man, I think Spring could be really eye opening, depending on your expectations.

Bottom line, Almost everyone here at least on paper “could” matter because they all have a ton of team control and a lot of room before maxing out what scouts see as feasible growth.

Question 6

The young pitching that we have seen come up has been pretty dreadful. Roansy, Ortiz, and Priester have been major disappointments thus far. Should we have bigger/better expectations when we see the next waive…Jones, Skenes, Solometo or expect more of the same? – Ryan Antonucci

Roansy and Ortiz were dreadful when they came up? I beg to differ my friend. To lump them into the same issue we’re seeing Priester deal with to me is off base.

Roansy went from throwing 97 regularly to barely touching 94 on occasion and really resting at 92. Worse, nobody seems to understand fully why. Ortiz will be back soon, and I think he’ll get back on the horse.

Now, Priester, I don’t expect you saw, but before he was called up, everything you’ve watched, I wrote would happen. His fastball simply doesn’t have shape or speed, and unless he’s going to become a guy who hides the ball super well, he’s going to have to change that.

The other option is for him to be pinpoint accurate with it, but the most likely outcome is to lean on his 2-seam.

Jones is not the same. He has a wicked heater, a killer breaking ball and has very recently introduced an increasingly effective changeup. Doesn’t mean he won’t struggle, just means it won’t be for the same reasons.

Solometo has a funky delivery and his velocity has ticked up to a point where my goodness, he looks like he could be scary. Again, kids very often get punched in the mouth when they get to the Bigs, so I’d always bet on that side of the equation.

As for Skenes, hey, let’s let him get his feet wet. That said, MiLB hitters aren’t going to touch him often, so he’ll have little choice but to learn what he needs to learn here.

Nothing about onboarding kids is even, fair, predictable, and you couldn’t have picked a group of pitchers more diverse in issues or talent level. There is no die cut for this process.

Question 7

What does your gut tell you about Cruz? Do we see him back in September or since we’re not pushing for a post season spot, just letting him rehab in AAA away from the spotlight and be full steam ahead next season? – JW Sanders

Barring a setback, you’ll absolutely see him in September. Being in the race doesn’t matter in any way shape or form here. There’s no service time to be saved, there’s nothing to be gained to have someone like that not face MLB pitching for over 9 months.

If for no other reason than to give fans a better glimpse of what 2024 could look like, the big man will be back and soon.

Question 8

What’s with Henry’s bat? – Ryan Antonucci

Right now, he is trying to stay back and not swing over the breaking pitches and it has him swinging through fastballs. Early on, he was dead on the heater, but as the league adjusted, so to has Henry had to make some changes.

Once he shows he can lay off, he’ll see more heaters and start to come around.

I’d also say before games, Henry is taking RF reps, Catching reps and batting practice. There’s a lot going on for a kid who was just in college 2 years ago, and coming from a team that really just let him be an athlete and didn’t’ focus much on changing how he approached anything.

This offseason will be very good for him. The rest, and getting in the lab to fine tune some of that stuff in the batter’s box. In the minors, everyone pitched him inside off the plate, up here everyone pitches him down and away with spin.

I’d worry much more if he was just not making contact, as it stands his BABIP and actual results don’t line up all that well which tends to push that he’s been unlucky to a degree.

Question 9

What is more concerning in the off-season, starting pitching or 1st base help? – Casey

I’m not sure this is even a competition. Starting pitching.

Have to have it, can’t expect to improve in 2024 with Mitch, Oviedo and a bunch of rookies or 2nd years. If they went cheap and we had Rivas and Joe all next season I’d absolutely jump up and down yelling about it, but as long as the rotation is dealt with, you could sell me it’s ok.

Vice Versa, not so much.

Question 10

As you know, one of major concerns w Priester is his fastball. I understand he can compensate for MPH with good location but can a SP at age 22 learn how to add MPH? Is that something that can improve w a change in mechanics? – Rhino71

Contreras could throw a perfect game and the fan response would be “But what was his velo?” which I completely get. But there’s never any context. Where exactly does he (and Priester, I guess) need to be MPH wise with their fastball (average and max velo) to be good MLB starters? -Nick Cammuso

Similar questions, but parts I really wanted to hit on from each.

For Rhino’s question, yes, guys can at times add velocity. Anthony Solometo just did so this offseason and it’s taken him from a crafty lefty to a potential left handed killer. We’ve also seen Keller add velocity last offseason, and he’s way older than 22.

Now, Nick, there is no magic number. For Contreras though, none of his mix plays without it. That’s why it’s such a big deal. His entire arsenal is developed around that 97-98 MPH heater, and while he can still get outs with his plus curve and his slider, there simply isn’t anything to keep hitters off them without thinking they have to cover that velocity. Worse, as his velocity fell for the 4 seam, it didn’t for his slider, so there isn’t’ even a speed difference now.

Priester has plenty to use, he just needs more of a show me fastball, but it has to be precisely placed. It doesn’t move much, and it’s not fast. No deception on the heater and knowing he can’t throw all 5 of his pitches for strikes all that often, dudes just wait and tee off. His best fastball is his sinker, but since his call up he’s rarely used it beyond his first 3 innings of work.

Pitchers can do things to mitigate this. They can hide the ball better, tunnel their other pitches with it, or even just learn to command them with precision, but there’s a reason Greg Maddux is seen as such a god brother, cause mostly, it’s better to just have a big heater.

For Quinn, I’d recommend adding a little cut action but even that could change the effectiveness of his slider. Probably looking at a guy who just needs to find a way to throw at his max (95ish) and have it go where he wants more often. Easier said than done of course, but that’s why Marin makes the big bucks, pause for Pirates Big Bucs laughter.

Question 11

Does the payroll expand again this off-season? – Mike Teti

It should Mike. Pitching is expensive, and I see no way to improve without it. That said, it’s a very young team, all for the most part on entry level deals. They don’t have nearly as much room to add this year.

2 pitchers could equal what they spent this year, modest raises for Reynolds, Bednar, Keller, feels like if it goes up, it won’t be by a ton.

On the free agent market, I’d get 2 starters and a first baseman. Spending someone else’s money is easy and fun, so I would budget 30 million for those acquisitions. Add in Cutch for 4 or 5, and it’d be pretty close to what they did this year.

Question 12

Gary, it appears Davis and many of the young hitters try to pull every pitch regardless of location. Are they programmed to pull only? Is this a reflection on the hitting coaches philosophy organizationally? – Mike Petrosky

Have you met Ke’Bryan Hayes Mike?

I kid, but no, of all the things Andy Haines does that I feel don’t work, this isn’t’ one of them. They preach center of the field on the fastball, opposite field on off speed, but these kids are all gearing up for the first taste of consistent velocity and when they don’t get it, they pull.

Pretty typical for youngsters actually.

Nick Gonzales who’s already been sent back down as you know is a great example of this. He’ll hit more homeruns to right center than he will left because that’s his approach, but once he got here and settled in he was out in front of almost everything most of the time.

Anyone who isn’t adjusting almost constantly, probably isn’t playing regularly.

Question 13

Do you think we have a chance at a Wild Card spot? – Piratas Mexico

I mean, technically, yes. But there are too many teams to jump over at this time of year. 8.5 games is a ton on August 16th, and I don’t see the starting pitching to really make a charge right now.

That said, on a given night or series, I don’t think many contenders will want to play them. Series like the one against Atlanta, that’s this team’s World Series in 23.

Question 14

What are your thoughts on the prospect promotion incentive program? Do you think Jared Jones could be a candidate for that? – Robert Hagelin

Overall, I think it’s a nice idea that really doesn’t have enough benefit to prompt teams that are worried about years of control to do anything different.

With Jones in particular, let me put it this way, if they show up to Spring and he has a real shot to win a spot out of camp, this team didn’t do enough in the offseason to “compete”.

In my mind, you have room for 1 rookie or untested starter in this rotation, and with all the other pieces lining up offensively, I don’t think they can afford to count on a guy like Jones.

And I love the kid Robert, really do. I think he’ll get a shot during 2024, but again, I don’t think they can afford to head into the season thinking that’s what gets them in the conversation. Every rookie or youngster that comes up next year is going to likely have to beat someone out or wait for injury/ineffectiveness.

We haven’t seen this in Pittsburgh for quite some time, not even when they were successful last decade.

Top 15 Plus 5 More Update

8-16-23 – By Justin Verno – @JV_PITT on Twitter

1-Paul SkenesNo stats

IPERAFIPxFIPWHIPBB%K%
CPX 10.001.963.030.000%33.3%
A10.001.0000%

2-Endy Rodriguez

BA/OBP/SLGOPSISOwOBAwRC+BB%K%
AAA.268/.356/.415.771.147.3489411.4%14.9%
MLB.239/.320/.433.753.194.32510310.7%30.7%
WEEK.267/.421/.333.754.067.35112121.1%15.8%

3-Termarr Johnson–

BA/OBP/SLGOPSISOwOBAwRC+BB%K%
A.244/.419/.448.867.204.41314221.8%26.7%
A+.162/.311/.324.635.162.3048217.8%24.4%
Week.200/.333/.500.833.300.37012416.7%16.7%

4-Quinn Priester-

IPERAFIPxFIPWHIPBB%K%
AAA87.24.313.864.291.369.3%22.4%
MLB23.28.756.354.921.9013%17.4%
Week49.002.02 2.504.8%19%

5-Liover Peguero–

BA/OBP/SLGOPSISOwOBAwRC+BB%K%
AA.260/.333/.453.786.193.32611310.1%18.2%
AAA.259/.333/.556.889.296.37611210%10%
MLB.254/.290/.492.782.237.3321083.2%36.5%
Week.350/.381/.550.931.200.3981524.5%27.3%

6-Mike Burrow-(season over)

IPERAFIPxFIPWHIPBB%K%
AAA6.22.707.396.220.908%12%

7-Bubba Chandler–

IPERAFIPxFIPWHIPBB%K%
A885.114.774.421.6011.3%26.3%
Week36.004.062.3318.8%25%

8-Jared Triolo–

BA/OBP/SLGOPSISOwOBAwWRC+BB%K%
A.293/.403/.436.839.143.38211615.7%27.7%
MLB.271/.341/.314.654.042.297848.3%31.1%
Week.308/.471/.5381.009.231.43918017.6%29.4%

9-Jared Jones

IPERAFIPxFIPWHIPBB%K%
AA44.12.233.424.151.088.9%26.3%
AAA435.443.844.441.3510.2%29%
Week318.007.942.6723.5%35.3%

10-Yordany De Los Santos

BA/OBP/SLGOPSISOwOBAwRC+BB%K%
CPX.328/.397/.463.860.134.4081259%14.1%
A.211/.333/.305.639.095.3188413%40%
Week.200/.350/.200.550.000.2967119%33.3%

11-Thomas Harrington–

IPERAFIPxFIPWHIPBB%K%
A392.773.763.861.108%26.7%
A+62.14.483.934.111.436.6%28.4%
week55.403.121.8012.5%25%

12-Anthony Solometo–

IPERAFIPxFIPWHIPPBB%K%
AA58.22.303.133.72 1.1610.7%29.1%
AAA34.24.153.584.14 1.275.4%25.2%
Week127.0017.265.0012.5%12.5%

13-Tony Blanco Jr–

BA/OBP/SLGOPSISOwOBAwRC+BB%K%
DSL.261/.343/.445.788.185.37410611.7%35%
Week.250/.308/.667.974.417.4271357.7%46.2%

14-Zander Mueth-(NO STATS)

IPERAFIPxFIPBB%K%

15-Estur Suero-

BA/OBP/SLGOPSISOwOBAwRC+BB%K%
SD CPX.216/.306/.345.652.129.3136510%30.6%
PIT CPX.227/.370/.318.689.091.3539418.5%22.2%
WEEK.250/.368/.375.743.125.36610115.8%21.1%

MY FIVE

16- Hunter Barco

IPERAFIPxFIPWHIPBB%K%
CPX 7.2 1.17 2.40 3.10 0.78 6.9% 31%
A 2.2 3.38 2.31 3.25 2.25 14.3% 35.7%
WEEK

17-Carlos Jimenez

IPERAFIPxFIPWHIPBB%K%
CPX 4.1 4.15 8.12 8.36 1.85 28.6% 14.3%
WEEK

18-Jun-Seok Shim-

IPERAFIPxFIPWHIPBB%K%
CPX73.863.252.160.717.7%46.2%
Week1.210.803.361.2014.3%28.6%

19-Tsung-Che Cheng

BA/OBP/SLGOPSISOwOBAwRC+BB%K%
A+.308/406/575.980.266.43516413.8%18.5%
AA.286/.318/.381.699.095.316915.1%19.6%
Week.316/.350/.579.929.263.4061504.8%23.8%

20-Enmanuel Terrero-NO STATS

BA/OBP/SLGOPSISOwOBAwRC+BB%K%
A.271/.378/.423.801.151.38012113.7%26.2%
Week

A Few quick thoughts-

OK, we’re back Sorry about the break, but I always take a breath after the trade deadline.

Speaking of the trade deadline, Estuar Suero acquired in the Rich Hill and Ji-Man Choi trade makes his debut in the Pirates top 15 on Fangraphs. Sure it’s due to Tank Davis graduating but the kid has a good deal of upside and is one to keep an eye on. I mention him because he is now the youngest young Buc on FG top 30. Kid has easy power. Should be fun kid to watch.

Weclome!

Paul Skenes made his pro debut. Barco made his pro debut, his first outings since TJS. Shim made his way back to the mound. Jimenez made his 2023 debut. All in all there was a lot to tune into this week.

Shim and Jimenz struggled to find the zone, but that’s not all that surprising.

Barco looks great, kid has a lot of movement and I’d call his first few outings a success despite some control in his A ball debut.

Skenes was unchallenged at that level and we finally get to actually watch him on the mound this Tuesday!

Keeping up with the Jones

At first glance it looks like Jones had a rough outing, and I imagine if you asked him he wouldn’t exactly be too happy with it.

The stat line certainly shows it was a rough one. And I- by no means am trying to make excuses for him, BUT…I’ve said time and time and again that prospects don’t learn on a linear. And games like this one are a prime example of why, lets delve in a little.

Jones best two pitches are his 4-seam fastball that plays 95-100 MPH and a wipe out slider. His CB has some upside and his pitch mix is rounded off by his change up, a pitch that has really taken off this year. The change is still a work in progress and at times can be a tad flat. But all in all it’s a pitch that has flashed as a plus offering.

Then in his last outing something odd popped up on Baseballsavant.com pitch tracker. A sinker? I’ve not heard or seen him adding a sinker. Upon taking a closer look at the velo, spin rates and break it becomes clear that the likely hood of it being a sinker was sunk.

Savant had him throwing 39 “sinkers” .

1 change up and 1 slider.

Velocity ranged from 98.7-88.5 MPH on those pitches while the spin rated varied from 1599 up to 2616. I would think that there were some change ups that were identified incorrectly. As for the rest? I’m not sure, but two guys I trust and follow on Twitter, @__Murhphy88 and @NolaJeffy suggested that due to velocity and spin rates it looked like a two seam fastball. (full disclosure, I would not have taken a peak without their suggesting it) Jared Jones doesn’t have a lot of two seam fastball tracked, at least that I could find.

While a two seam fastball is a likely candidate, there are other possibilities here. Different grips. The change up is an interesting pitch to watch guys learn due to having so many grips. Those of us that remember watching Ty Glasnow pick it might remember him adding the circle grip. The grips can change the shape and even velocity. Is he toying with adding a power change? Is he going from a circle to a C-change?

What can we conclude with that? I’m not entirely sure, but it could point to Jones looking to add one more pitch to his mix. I can’t get to it being a sinker as Savant has listed. As the two gents above point out(those are two must follows by the way) the two seam FB seems the most likely candidate when we consider the velo and spin rates.

What’s my point, you might be asking yourself? That whatever Jones was doing here, adding a pitch? Playing with a new grip? Whatever it was, was something new he was working on. This is one of the major reasons prospects have ebbs and flows and ups and downs. It’s why their path is not a linear grade.

Jared’s usage of his change up has increased since joining AAA, and at times looks brilliant. If they have him learning one more pitch I have to wonder, is this the ‘one last thing’ they’d like him to play with before they buy him a bus ticket to Pittsburgh? A FB that can hit 100. A wipe out slider. A change that can play. A pinch of the curve ball. Sprinkle in a two seamer? And see you in Pittsburgh. Sounds just delightful.

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Big Seventh Inning Powers Pirates Win Over Mets, 7-4 (55-66)

8/15/23- By Michael Castrignano – @412DoublePlay on Twitter

Pirates bats struggled to get much going against the Mets bullpen in the first game of this series. In game 2, they made sure to capitalize.

Mets got on the board first tonight after a Brandon Nimmo lead-off homer, his second long-ball in as many days, giving the Mets a 1-0 lead in the bottom of the 1st inning. The lead wouldn’t hold for even a batter into the 2nd inning as Liover Peguero took a 1-2 fastball from Mets starter, David Peterson, and deposited it quickly into the left center field seats.

Bailey Falter started just his third game for the Pirates since being acquired at the trade deadline and posted his best start yet, dealing for 5.1 innings allowing just 4 hits, 1 run, 1 walk and striking out 5. One of those strikeouts: A foul tip that catcher Jason Delay managed to hold onto in a unique way.

Peterson didn’t last nearly as long for New York, throwing 91 pitches in just 3.2 innings of work before handing it over to the bullpen – where the Bucs were finally able to break-through.

Jose Butto took over for Peterson, going 2.2 innings and started the 7th inning. Andrew McCutchen led off with a walk and advanced to third following a Connor Joe double to left. Peguero drew a 1-out walk to load the bases. Butto was pulled for Grant Hartwig, who immediately walked pinch-hitter Jack Suwinski on 4 pitches to score the go-ahead run. Jared Triolo was then hit by a pitch to score another run. A third run of the inning scored on a passed ball by Mets catcher, Francisco Alvarez. Delay doubled home 2 more runs and Bryan Reynolds tripled him home as the Bucs put up 6 runs in the inning.

Colin Selby relieved Falter in the 6th and got Pete Alonso to hit into an inning-ending double play but ran into some trouble in the 7th. Alvarez led off with a walk and, following a Jeff McNeil strikeout, Selby gave up back-to-back home runs to DJ Stewart and Jonathan Arauz, shrinking the lead to a 7-4 score. 

Angel Perdomo came on in relief to get a strikeout for the final out of the 7th inning, Colin Holderman shut down the 8th and David Bednar bounced back to complete the save, his 25th in 28 chances this season.

 News & Notes

  • Selby notched his first win of his MLB career.
  • Jack Suwinski pinch hit for Josh Palacios in the 7th inning, who was removed for a reported “gastrointestinal illness.”
  • Ke’Bryan Hayes continues his hot streak, now 13-for-31 with 6 extra-base hits over the past week.
  • Afternoon game for the rubber match tomorrow as Johan Oviedo faces Tyler Megill. First pitch is 1:10PM. Let’s Go Bucs!

Pirates Big Seventh Inning, Mets Mistakes Propel 7-4 Victory (54-66)

07/15/23 – By Ethan Smith – @mvp_Ethan on Twitter

It sure is nice to be on the right side of some mistakes huh?

The Pittsburgh Pirates struggled for much of Tuesday evening in Queens to take advantage of free passes, passed balls and just about every self-inflicting mistake the Mets could make in a baseball game, but they managed to bring the series even with a 7-4 win over said Mets.

New York would take an early lead in this one thanks to a Brandon Nimmo homer off of Bailey Falter, who pitched 5.1 innings with five strikeouts.

Liover Peguero would answer Nimmo’s homer with a homer of his own in the top of the second, tying the game at one a piece in the early stages.

Falter and David Robertson would keep the game scoreless for the rest of their outings despite Robertson walking six Pirates over 3.2 innings and tight roping through the entirety of his performance.

Up until the seventh inning, the Pirates had 10 walks in the game and had left 10 runners on base, but Pittsburgh finally took advantage of New York’s mistakes, scoring 6 runs in the inning with only three hits as Andrew McCutchen, Peguero, Jack Suwinski and Jared Triolo(HBP) all reached via the free pass. To make matters worse for the Mets, Francisco Alvarez allowed a passed ball, Jason Delay would double and Bryan Reynolds would triple to add to a miserable display of baseball and effectively putting the game out of reach.

The bottom of the seventh saw the Mets claw back a bit, with homers from DJ Stewart and Jonathan Arauz off of Colin Selby bringing the Mets within three.

Angel Perdomo would shut down the seventh, striking out Brandon Nimmo, keeping the game 7-4 for the Pirates heading into the final two innings.

Colin Holderman pitched a clean eighth inning against his former team, holding the Pirates lead firm heading into the final frame.

David Bednar would come on for the ninth and would secure the save and the victory for the Pittsburgh Pirates, tying the series and forcing a series-deciding game on Wednesday as Johan Oviedo faces Tylor Megill.

News & Notes

  • Falter: 5.1 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 5 K
  • Selby: 1.1 IP, 2 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 2 K(First MLB win)
  • Perdomo: 0.1 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 1 K
  • Holderman: 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 2 K
  • Bednar: 1.0 IP, 0 ER(25th save)
  • Peguero, Joe and Hayes have multiple hits
  • Pirates offense walks 10 times

Mets Offense Explodes As Bucs Bats Snooze, Losing 7-2 (53-66)

8/14/23- By Michael Castrignano – @412DoublePlay on Twitter

Heading to Queens to face the Mets, pre-ordained World Series contenders in the spring with their bloated payroll and lofty contracts, looking at an identical 53-65 record as the Pirates prior to the game. While Pittsburgh’s season has been a bit of a let-down for fans following an electric start, the Mets certainly have not come close to their expectations. However, they looked every bit the dangerous squad tonight, besting the Pirates in essentially a blow-out.

Veteran Carlos Carrasco pitching for the Mets in the midst of a career-worst season and labored tonight. He lasted just 3 inefficient innings, 2 runs 4 hits, walked 3 and struck out 5. His mound opponent for the Pirates, Quinn Priester, managed to go 5 innings but surrendered 6 runs on 7 hits with 3 walks and 3 strikeouts.

Bucs got the scoring started in the first inning. Bryan Reynolds walked on 4 pitches, Ke’Bryan Hayes continued his hot stretch since his return from the Injured List with a single to right and then Henry Davis hit a 2-out laser to center – 109.9MPH off the bat – to give the Pirates a 1-0 lead.

Mets would even the score in the bottom of the frame though. Brandon Nimmo singled and Pete Alonso doubled him home. Former Pirate Daniel Vogelbach slashed a 1-2 sinker to dead center for his 9th home run on the season.

Connor Joe led off the 3rd inning with a double and Hayes would double him home to tie the game for the moment but that was the end of their offense for the night as they would get just one more hit over the remaining 6 innings – a Liover Peguero infield single in the 6th. 

Priester struggled to post a clean frame, however. Francisco Lindor singled to right, moved to 2nd on a ball that went in-and-out of Endy’s glove and he struggled to locate. Then, he got to third on a wild pitch, scoring on a 2-out Jeff McNeil single to left-center.

In the 4th inning, rookie Jonathan Arauz hit a 2-run home run (his first of his MLB career) off a 2-out, 1-2 fastball that ran middle-middle. McNeil drove in another run in the 5th inning via sacrifice fly and end Priester’s night.

Osvaldo Bido handled the remaining 3 innings and, outside of an 0-2, 2-out line-drive home run by Brandon Nimmo in the 6th, was able to settle in and provide stability for the team. Unfortunately, it was too little, too late.

 News & Notes

  • This was the 8th time since 1901 that the Pirates allowed at least one run in the first six innings – most recently on August 13, 2016 vs. the Dodgers.
  • Priester allowed 14 batted balls with exit velocity of 90+ MPH.
  • This was Priester’s 6th start with the Pirates and he has not allowed less than 3 runs in any of his starts.
  • Davis’s single in the first inning was the hardest hit ball of his career (109.9 MPH).
  • After the departure of Carrasco, the Mets bullpen of Tyson Miller, Sam Coonrod, Phil Bickford, Trevor Gott and Adam Ottavino pitched 6 innings allowing just 1 hit, 4 walks and striking out 6.
  • Game two tomorrow night with dueling southpaws as Pirates starter Bailey Falter faces the Mets starter David Peterson. Start time is scheduled for 7:10PM. Let’s Go Bucs!